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SamBee
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Dull video on Primary

Post by SamBee » 01 Oct 2019, 05:55

Last Sunday, in second hour, we were all supposed to attend a video from the FP about primary and children etc. I can't stand these things. I know it was for everyone over seven or eight, but I don't have any children, and I never get a thing out of these talks. I ended up walking out. Another ward member, who is a grandfather, walked out as well, and told me he was bored by it. He said that some of the things that the church wants to do with children these days are akin to brainwashing. I pointed out that I never liked it when children under five or six give their testimony while it is whispered in their ear. He agreed saying "that's not a real testimony".

I appreciate there have to be rules for child protection - I'm all for that - but why do I have to know about the children's curriculum when a) I'm not a child, b) don't have any, and c) don't have any involvement with children at church?
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Re: Dull video on Primary

Post by Roy » 01 Oct 2019, 09:34

I suppose your talking about the program to replace scouts, activity days, faith in God, YW medallion.

I was flabbergasted that they wanted all kids 8 and up to attend the meeting. It seems to me that those administering the program would have a training first before we have 8 year olds sit through training videos. After having seen the video and how vague it was (due in part to the flexible and adaptive nature of the new program) I can't imagine that the 8 year olds got much out of it. As has been said elsewhere the video gave some broad outlines and then indicated that more information would be released in November.
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Re: Dull video on Primary

Post by SamBee » 03 Oct 2019, 06:31

I'm well over eight (and under eighty) but I just tuned out and walked out five minutes later.
DASH1730 "An Area Authority...[was] asked...who...would go to the Telestial kingdom. His answer: "murderers, adulterers and a lot of surprised Mormons!"'
1ST PRES 1978 "[LDS] believe...there is truth in many religions and philosophies...good and great religious leaders... have raised the spiritual, moral, and ethical awareness of their people. When we speak of The [LDS] as the only true church...it is...authorized to administer the ordinances...by Jesus Christ... we do not mean... it is the only teacher of truth."

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Re: Dull video on Primary

Post by nibbler » 03 Oct 2019, 07:05

It's hard to target a specific audience for something like this. It may be relevant for members that don't have children because they could end up with a calling in Primary or YM/YW someday.

That said, there wasn't much information in the 50 minute video. It could have been handled in an email that took 2 minutes to read. I think it ended up being a 50 minute video because the leaders are excited, they want to get general membership exited for something "new," and the cynical me says that the video didn't need to be 50 minutes but ended up being 50 minutes because the 2nd hour at church is 50 minutes. It was a time filler.
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Re: Dull video on Primary

Post by Roy » 03 Oct 2019, 10:19

Our scoutmasters son is autistic and recently turned 8 years old. He said yesterday that church was really hard on him and that he wished he could have sent his son to primary instead of trying to get him to remain quiet during the video.
I wish this man would have felt empowered to remove his son to an environment that better fit their needs. People always matter more than programs.

(somewhat ironically, the new "program" seems to be adaptable to fit individuals needs. The video presenting the new program certainly was not.)
"It is not so much the pain and suffering of life which crushes the individual as it is its meaninglessness and hopelessness." C. A. Elwood

“It is not the function of religion to answer all the questions about God’s moral government of the universe, but to give one courage, through faith, to go on in the face of questions he never finds the answer to in his present status.” TPC: Harold B. Lee 223

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Re: Dull video on Primary

Post by SamBee » 04 Oct 2019, 05:28

nibbler wrote:
03 Oct 2019, 07:05
It's hard to target a specific audience for something like this. It may be relevant for members that don't have children because they could end up with a calling in Primary or YM/YW someday.
Not in this case. I doubt I will have children, but I don't intend to ever take a primary calling.
DASH1730 "An Area Authority...[was] asked...who...would go to the Telestial kingdom. His answer: "murderers, adulterers and a lot of surprised Mormons!"'
1ST PRES 1978 "[LDS] believe...there is truth in many religions and philosophies...good and great religious leaders... have raised the spiritual, moral, and ethical awareness of their people. When we speak of The [LDS] as the only true church...it is...authorized to administer the ordinances...by Jesus Christ... we do not mean... it is the only teacher of truth."

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Re: Dull video on Primary

Post by Daughter1 » 11 Oct 2019, 20:04

Good to know... I've been invited to attend this meeting on Sunday. I wasn't planning on going, and now I know what I'm missing. Also, at some point I need to take the anti-abuse training because technically I guess I'm still listed as a member of the RS presidency even though I just write the newsletters. But I support the fact that they offer a training, so I'll get around to it.
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Re: Dull video on Primary

Post by SamBee » 15 Oct 2019, 05:20

Daughter1 wrote:
11 Oct 2019, 20:04
Good to know... I've been invited to attend this meeting on Sunday. I wasn't planning on going, and now I know what I'm missing. Also, at some point I need to take the anti-abuse training because technically I guess I'm still listed as a member of the RS presidency even though I just write the newsletters. But I support the fact that they offer a training, so I'll get around to it.
Anti-abuse training is a good thing but if this was supposed to be it, it was padded out. But I did feel sorry for the children who had to sit through it. Even though it was pitched at them partly, it was not done very well. I found it dry as an adult. Who knows what a child would think...
DASH1730 "An Area Authority...[was] asked...who...would go to the Telestial kingdom. His answer: "murderers, adulterers and a lot of surprised Mormons!"'
1ST PRES 1978 "[LDS] believe...there is truth in many religions and philosophies...good and great religious leaders... have raised the spiritual, moral, and ethical awareness of their people. When we speak of The [LDS] as the only true church...it is...authorized to administer the ordinances...by Jesus Christ... we do not mean... it is the only teacher of truth."

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Re: Dull video on Primary

Post by AmyJ » 15 Oct 2019, 05:54

SamBee wrote:
15 Oct 2019, 05:20
Anti-abuse training is a good thing but if this was supposed to be it, it was padded out. But I did feel sorry for the children who had to sit through it. Even though it was pitched at them partly, it was not done very well. I found it dry as an adult. Who knows what a child would think...
At the Time:
My developmentally atypical daughter made very specific comments about how she did not want to work on her spiritual development and did not want to follow anyone or anyone's expectations (especially leaders) in response to how it was presented. She also reverted to requesting attending R.S. with me, and trying to discuss the options of not going to church at all (while I was trying to listen to the program being rolled out). This was before, during, and after trying to tangle herself in my arms and quasi-discretely sit on my lap. I was able to distract her into making a list of things that she would like to to do (not goals - just activities).

So yes, count me not impressed about their roll-out video. But, in their defense, their main point of introducing the program en masse by definition would not be presented in a form that was easier for my daughter - and that is a gray area as to whether it should have been, or whether they should have posted something ahead of time as a heads up or in a shorter format or something to let the parents know to expect sitting for 45 minutes and prepare accordingly. I am impressed that the program they are designing is built to support what I would have done anyways - so it makes it easier (in theory) going forward.

Later:
I was talking to the Primary President awhile afterwards about how I was confused about how the scope of the Youth Leaders were changing (it's not staying the same because the program is different). Her comments focused on the upcoming Face-to-Face, the flexibility of the new program to tailor to the needs of the youth (and highlighted our smaller branch had already been doing that). I mentioned how I thought it was changing into an extended Big Brother-Big Sister program (with the older girls and young women leaders being the "big sisters") - she gave me the weirdest look and said nothing. I don't think that I am wrong - and that looking at lists that those communities supply for those activities for ideas is not a bad thing. However, I may have spent social currency comparing a changing divine institution with a well-known non-divine community institution.

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Re: Dull video on Primary

Post by SamBee » 15 Oct 2019, 12:07

Honestly, AmyJ I feel for your daughter. If middle aged me found that hard to sit through, I dread to think how anyone below the age of twenty would put up with it!

If they're trying to set up a system where older kids look out for younger ones - and I didn't last that long - I think in general that is probably a good thing. And not just in terms of church stuff, but helping them grow up and get through the challenges.

My high school had a system where we would look after children who were a few years younger than us. I think it usually worked. I actually managed to sort out one or two bullying problems. The bullies were older than my charges but younger than me. I made it clear to the bullies that I wouldn't put up with it and so they soon stopped. I think they listened to me more than they would with a teacher. I could also tell the younger boys about school life so they were more prepared.
DASH1730 "An Area Authority...[was] asked...who...would go to the Telestial kingdom. His answer: "murderers, adulterers and a lot of surprised Mormons!"'
1ST PRES 1978 "[LDS] believe...there is truth in many religions and philosophies...good and great religious leaders... have raised the spiritual, moral, and ethical awareness of their people. When we speak of The [LDS] as the only true church...it is...authorized to administer the ordinances...by Jesus Christ... we do not mean... it is the only teacher of truth."

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