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Addition to "Massive Changes to the Temple Endowment": Initiatory & Sealing

Posted: 03 Jan 2019, 22:39
by Curt Sunshine
I want to add this as a new post, so it doesn't get lost in the other two posts about the endowment changes.

I t has been confirmed that the differing wording for men and women in the initiatory and sealing has been changed to be the same.

Women in the initiatory are blessed to hear the word of the Lord, and both husbands and wives make the same promise to each other when they are sealed. The wording no longer is different.

Those two changes are as important and powerfully symbolic as the endowment changes.

Re: Addition to "Massive Changes to the Temple Endowment": Initiatory & Sealing

Posted: 04 Jan 2019, 06:32
by DarkJedi
Agreed! More great news. :clap: :clap: :clap:

Re: Addition to "Massive Changes to the Temple Endowment": Initiatory & Sealing

Posted: 04 Jan 2019, 08:08
by dande48
As far as initiatories go, I never knew there was a difference. :D Happy to hear it!

Re: Addition to "Massive Changes to the Temple Endowment": Initiatory & Sealing

Posted: 06 Jan 2019, 14:28
by Roy
Wonderful! I know that some saw the sealing wording as doctrinal to hold the door open for the return of polygamy (in this world or the world to come). Exciting that we are getting further from that particular theology.

Re: Addition to "Massive Changes to the Temple Endowment": Initiatory & Sealing

Posted: 11 Jan 2019, 13:10
by lotsofgray
Re: Sealing Wording.

Is it true that it does not and has never included the word “love” anywhere?

Haven’t been to one in a long time. Can’t remember if this is still true or not.

Maybe it’s just me but Jesus used that word a lot.

???


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Posted: 11 Jan 2019, 15:22
by SamBee
lotsofgray wrote:
11 Jan 2019, 13:10
Re: Sealing Wording.

Is it true that it does not and has never included the word “love” anywhere?

Haven’t been to one in a long time. Can’t remember if this is still true or not.

Maybe it’s just me but Jesus used that word a lot.

???
Ah the old eros, agape and philia problem. These are the three words used in the New Testament. The word "love" translates more than one word in Greek.

Marriage is eros, sexual or romantic love, but this term is barely used by Jesus. Philia (despite its use in certain English words) means familial love. Agape is divine love which is what Jesus was mostly talking about.

Re: Addition to "Massive Changes to the Temple Endowment": Initiatory & Sealing

Posted: 11 Jan 2019, 18:11
by lotsofgray
Another piece of the onion removed!

Thanks for the clarification.


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Re: Addition to "Massive Changes to the Temple Endowment": Initiatory & Sealing

Posted: 15 Jan 2019, 00:27
by lotsofgray
So does this mean the word “love” is indeed or not mentioned in sealing ordinance?

I got distracted by your other definitions of the word


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Re: Addition to "Massive Changes to the Temple Endowment": Initiatory & Sealing

Posted: 15 Jan 2019, 06:36
by nibbler
lotsofgray wrote:
15 Jan 2019, 00:27
So does this mean the word “love” is indeed or not mentioned in sealing ordinance?
I don't know about the ordinance post changes but the one before didn't mention the word love. The actual ordinance itself is very short and mostly consists of pronouncing blessings on the couple in scripture speak.

For living couples, the sealer usually gives a talk before the ordinance. I've got to think that love comes up often in many, if not most of those talks.

Re: Addition to "Massive Changes to the Temple Endowment": Initiatory & Sealing

Posted: 15 Jan 2019, 08:31
by dande48
nibbler wrote:
15 Jan 2019, 06:36
I don't know about the ordinance post changes but the one before didn't mention the word love. The actual ordinance itself is very short and mostly consists of pronouncing blessings on the couple in scripture speak.
From my understanding, the Christian emphasis on "love" (as we now define it) is more of a recent development. As SamBee pointed out, modern English is pretty stupid in only having one word for the many different types of love. Christ himself never spoke of "Eros" (romantic love), and is found no where in the bible, despite being a common Greek word at the time. In fact, it has been a VERY recent development that people actually married for romantic love. In the past, marriage was all about practicality. Your land happened to be adjacent to their land. You wanted to cement an alliance. They just so happened to be there.

As far as Christ's emphasis on loving others as God loves us, this has also changed drastically from times past. Christ was very kind and accepting towards outcasts and the downtrodden, but he was very condemnatory towards certain types of sinners. It was only fairly recently we stopped burning heretics and pagans at the stake, or torturing adulterers and gays to death. It's funny how you can get all sorts of different ideologies from the same scriptures.

Given the endowment was pulled from Masonic/ancient temple rituals (depending on what you believe), it's no surprise love isn't mentioned, even with our many modifications.