dande48 wrote: ↑
30 Dec 2018, 09:01
Curt Sunshine wrote: ↑
30 Dec 2018, 08:42
Nobody here has said it is okay to pass the recommend interview by any means necessary. Nobody has said it is okay to lie, for example. I think it is important not to lie.
Yes, but what I'm pulling from what you've said, is it is more or less impossible to lie, because the wording is "ambiguous". Although, personally, I don't think it is or was intended to be; I think you're interpreting it ambiguously. It's pulling the Obi-Wan "Well, what I told you was true, from a certain point of view". And I wasn't talking about people with nefarious intentions. Folks either don't believe their intentions are nefarious, or would lie anyways.
Curious, though. What do you think is the purpose of these required TR worthiness interviews?
I don't think that's what Curt (or I) is saying at all. It is possible to lie, and Obi Wan was correct - what he said was true from a certain point of view. I don't lie, nor do I feel I am being deceitful in any way when I answer the questions. Like MM, I answer yes and no, period. Example:
1. Do you have faith in and a testimony of God the Eternal Father, His Son Jesus Christ, and the Holy Ghost? My answer: Yes. (My mind's voice is saying yes, I have a belief in something I cannot see, touch of feel with the possible exception of the HG. I do believe there is a God the Father, a Messiah/Savior - Jesus Christ - and I do believe in the Holy Ghost. The question is not do I believe in God in exactly the same way you do.)
2. Do you have a testimony of the Atonement of Christ and of His role as Savior and Redeemer? My answer: Yes. (My mind's voice reminds me I do have a testimony of the hope that the Savior brought and in some inexplicable way I do believe there was an atonement for my sins and I can be forgiven of them for that is the beauty of the gospel and IS the gospel.)
3. Do you have a testimony of the restoration of the gospel in these the latter days? My answer: Yes. (I believe Joseph Smith had a profound spiritual experience and that the church he organized was to the best of his ability that which he understood existed in early Christianity.)
4. Do you sustain the President of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints as the Prophet, Seer, and Revelator and as the only person on the earth who possesses and is authorized to exercise all priesthood keys? Do you sustain members of the First Presidency and the Quorum of the Twelve Apostles as prophets, seers, and revelators? Do you sustain the other General Authorities and local authorities of the Church? My answer: Yes. (Pres. Nelson reached that position fair and square according to our tradition. He is the rightful leader of the church, thus possessing whatever authority ("keys") that go with that position. Likewise the other 14 and my local leaders. By the way, what does sustain really mean? Oh, wait, I already answered the question. But if it was that I support them and will help them as I am able, then yes.)
5. Do you live the law of chastity? My answer: Yes. (I don't screw around and never have. I don't think the question is do I find myself unable to look away from another particularly attractive human, because if it is then none of us live the LoC. The question is also not "What is your understanding of the LoC?")
I believe the wording is purposely ambiguous because by wording them as they are worded (and I believe much thought and discussion has gone into the process, they weren't written by somebody's clerk) makes it possible for as many as can go to the temple can go. The biggest stumbling block for people is the erroneous idea they have to answer the questions in the way they think the leader wants them to answer the question.
I answer in the way I think God would have me answer because it is really between he and I - even if I were to lie (and I have known people to lie).