Omni 1:2-3 = Passing It on Is Enough

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Re: Omni 1:2-3 = Passing It on Is Enough

Post by Heber13 » 26 Dec 2018, 17:37

dande48 wrote:
26 Dec 2018, 14:16
SamBee wrote:
26 Dec 2018, 06:26
The quote is contradictory. Obviously the man is not completely wicked otherwise he would not pass the record on... But I do not see it as justifying bad behavior otherwise, but duty which is slightly different. He did his duty but only in certain areas.
Well, I'd say most everyone is a mix of good and bad. But in Omni's shoes, I don't think it'd require a lot of virtue to take your dad's journal, write a paragraph, and give it to your son. It wouldn't have to be more than an afterthought. Maybe a bit of nostalgia.
I agree, dande...and I think that was the original point being made. It doesn't HAVE to be more than that. And that could be said for taking a priesthood lineage, adding a few words of a blessing, and pass it on.

The priesthood is either going to have power or will be dormant based on how the son takes it and uses it. Regardless of the ordination by the father.

Let's be ok with some things at church being good enough for just showing up, or just passing it on. Those things are better than not doing those mustard seed steps. Especially if it is meaningful to the collective faith of the family, even if not to the individual faith of the father.
Luke: "Why didn't you tell me? You told me Vader betrayed and murdered my father."
Obi-Wan: "Your father... was seduced by the dark side of the Force. He ceased to be Anakin Skywalker and became Darth Vader. When that happened, the good man who was your father was destroyed. So what I told you was true... from a certain point of view."
Luke: "A certain point of view?"
Obi-Wan: "Luke, you're going to find that many of the truths we cling to...depend greatly on our point of view."

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Re: Omni 1:2-3 = Passing It on Is Enough

Post by SamBee » 26 Dec 2018, 17:40

Yes of course he was a mixture of good and bad, but there are two conclusions here:

* He did at least two good things, i.e. keeping the records and raising successors.
* Whatever evil he did was not condoned or justified by the former. We don't know the extent of his evil.

Omni in some ways qualifies as an "also ran". That's a horse which didn't come in first, second or third and which you'd lose your money on.
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Re: Omni 1:2-3 = Passing It on Is Enough

Post by dande48 » 26 Dec 2018, 20:41

Heber13 wrote:
26 Dec 2018, 17:37
Let's be ok with some things at church being good enough for just showing up, or just passing it on. Those things are better than not doing those mustard seed steps. Especially if it is meaningful to the collective faith of the family, even if not to the individual faith of the father.
Personally, I'm not sure I'm ok with it. The Church is a mixed bag, and sometimes I wonder if it's really "better" than any alternative. There's a difference between "not doing anything against" the Church, and facilitating the same cycle that caused me so much hurt.
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Re: Omni 1:2-3 = Passing It on Is Enough

Post by Heber13 » 26 Dec 2018, 23:54

dande48 wrote:
26 Dec 2018, 20:41
Heber13 wrote:
26 Dec 2018, 17:37
Let's be ok with some things at church being good enough for just showing up, or just passing it on. Those things are better than not doing those mustard seed steps. Especially if it is meaningful to the collective faith of the family, even if not to the individual faith of the father.
Personally, I'm not sure I'm ok with it. The Church is a mixed bag, and sometimes I wonder if it's really "better" than any alternative. There's a difference between "not doing anything against" the Church, and facilitating the same cycle that caused me so much hurt.
thanks for helping to clarify these ideas, dande. My thoughts are not to be taken as universal advice for everyone and all circumstances. Somestimes the pain or situations are too complex to "embrace the inner Omni" approach.

I like Nibbler's comments, that we should move towards what helps us find peace, and for some that is not going to be staying in the church or trying to participate.

But the purpose of the forum is to try to support in finding ways we can make it work, for those who can try that. The other thread was about priesthood, and the idea of Omni doing a small part is just one possible way some may find they can make it work.

It is not for everyone. And that is ok too.

By the way, in my mind, I'm not thinking that Omni is a real person, but a figure we use as an allegory to project our thoughts and meanings on to things that help develop hopeful lessons in our current lives. We are all projecting our experience on to these scriptural stories. Like Eckhart Tolle says...none of this is real.
Luke: "Why didn't you tell me? You told me Vader betrayed and murdered my father."
Obi-Wan: "Your father... was seduced by the dark side of the Force. He ceased to be Anakin Skywalker and became Darth Vader. When that happened, the good man who was your father was destroyed. So what I told you was true... from a certain point of view."
Luke: "A certain point of view?"
Obi-Wan: "Luke, you're going to find that many of the truths we cling to...depend greatly on our point of view."

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Re: Omni 1:2-3 = Passing It on Is Enough

Post by SamBee » 27 Dec 2018, 05:36

dande48 wrote:
26 Dec 2018, 20:41
Heber13 wrote:
26 Dec 2018, 17:37
Let's be ok with some things at church being good enough for just showing up, or just passing it on. Those things are better than not doing those mustard seed steps. Especially if it is meaningful to the collective faith of the family, even if not to the individual faith of the father.
Personally, I'm not sure I'm ok with it. The Church is a mixed bag, and sometimes I wonder if it's really "better" than any alternative. There's a difference between "not doing anything against" the Church, and facilitating the same cycle that caused me so much hurt.
Well I haven't found a valid non-Christian substitute and of the other churches I know, many suffer from an aging demographic and/or disappear quickly. I was in one church which came and went within three years.
DASH1730 "An Area Authority...[was] asked...who...would go to the Telestial kingdom. His answer: "murderers, adulterers and a lot of surprised Mormons!"'
1ST PRES 1978 "[LDS] believe...there is truth in many religions and philosophies...good and great religious leaders... have raised the spiritual, moral, and ethical awareness of their people. When we speak of The [LDS] as the only true church...it is...authorized to administer the ordinances...by Jesus Christ... we do not mean... it is the only teacher of truth."

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