Elder Uchtdorf as Medicine for Elder Oaks

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Re: Elder Uchtdorf as Medicine for Elder Oaks

Post by Reuben » 09 Oct 2018, 10:13

I thought Sister Cordon's talk was similarly an antidote. Hers was meant to be administered to all the straight cis members, though. She knocked it out of the park.
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Re: Elder Uchtdorf as Medicine for Elder Oaks

Post by Curt Sunshine » 09 Oct 2018, 14:26

An extended family member knows one of the speakers' sisters who has a homosexual child (How is that for degrees of Kevin Bacon?), and this speaker asked his sister what message the LGBTQ members wanted to hear. Her answer was simple:

That they are loved, wanted, and needed.

Elder Oaks' talk notwithstanding, more than one talk focused on that message to one degree or another. Things are changing, and I beleive they will keep changing.

Finally, Elder Packer got hyper-focused on sex the last few years of his life. It became an obsession, and it turned a previously progressive leader in many ways into a stereotypical orthodox, regressive leader. I have seen that happening to Elder Oaks. He still gives a progressive talk periodically, but he is starting to obsess about religious freedom, persecution, staunch obedience, etc.
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Re: Elder Uchtdorf as Medicine for Elder Oaks

Post by DarkJedi » 09 Oct 2018, 14:48

Curt Sunshine wrote:
09 Oct 2018, 14:26
Finally, Elder Packer got hyper-focused on sex the last few years of his life. It became an obsession, and it turned a previously progressive leader in many ways into a stereotypical orthodox, regressive leader. I have seen that happening to Elder Oaks. He still gives a progressive talk periodically, but he is starting to obsess about religious freedom, persecution, staunch obedience, etc.
i completely agree with this, Curt. It is also my observation. I did sense a bit of an overall "strict obedience" retrenchment in this conference but there were also some talks that were not like that. I think Holland and Renlund, for instance, were both not about that at all. It sounded like Renlund has been studying The Christ Who Heals. And I agree about the aforementioned Cordon talk, she was good (it would have been great of not for the Primary voice).
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Re: Elder Uchtdorf as Medicine for Elder Oaks

Post by mom3 » 09 Oct 2018, 20:04

An extended family member knows one of the speakers' sisters who has a homosexual child
Ironically, Elder Oaks has a talented grandson who is gay. No surprise, they are estranged.
Finally, Elder Packer got hyper-focused on sex the last few years of his life. It became an obsession, and it turned a previously progressive leader in many ways into a stereotypical orthodox, regressive leader. I have seen that happening to Elder Oaks. He still gives a progressive talk periodically, but he is starting to obsess about religious freedom, persecution, staunch obedience, etc.
My dad is nearly the same age as Oaks. He is beginning to have memory issues. Not alzheimers but spots of disconnect. To counter that he has become more strident in his views. Last spring my mom and I sat through his Easter talk, hands clenched in panic, holding our breath, that he didn't move into diatribe. He bumped into a bit, but lucky didn't stay. I wouldn't be surprised if Oaks isn't in the same boat. This is where agedness really catches us badly.
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Re: Elder Uchtdorf as Medicine for Elder Oaks

Post by SamBee » 13 Oct 2018, 13:50

Curt Sunshine wrote:
09 Oct 2018, 14:26
I have seen that happening to Elder Oaks. He still gives a progressive talk periodically, but he is starting to obsess about religious freedom, persecution, staunch obedience, etc.
I believe religious freedom is going to have to be something we will have to defend over the next few decades. It's already getting bad on social media, and a lot of the prejudice originates from child sexual abuse and the anti-gay policies of many religions...
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