Meeting with the Branch President

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Re: Meeting with the Branch President

Post by SamBee » 12 Jun 2018, 15:20

nibbler wrote:
12 Jun 2018, 11:11
For one, I think we scale the people to the expected programs as opposed to scaling the programs to the people. The solution is often people in smaller units ending up with multiple callings.
Yeah, sometimes that works sometimes it doesn't. We have fluctuating numbers of kids. 10 years ago we had a lot of YW/YM, and nursery children, now it's one or two.*

* By the way, this isn't a downward trend, it's varied a lot with families. It's been up and down within that time. Last six months it's started going up again. Many people have had to move out of our ward for financial reasons to the commuter belt. I think it illustrates the problems. Two or three couples moving, plus several kids, shifts the demographics. Elder's Quorum expands and contracts too. Although we have a number of members locally, many of the callings are filled by various couples - it's not nepotism so much as reliability.
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Re: Meeting with the Branch President

Post by SilentDawning » 13 Jun 2018, 06:42

Another thing you can do is encourage him to take a long term view. If you can't get away from the lack of belief you are feeling, indicate there are shades of belief and people change all the time. Tell the story of what I experienced once -- a guy in my HP Quorum who wouldn't give me the time of day. Testimony was in the crapper. Then fast forward 5 years and I'm less active and he's in the Bishopric. Same with a former RS president I Home taught. She was totally inactive, but liked having me over. Fast forward 5 years -- I'm less active and not as believing, and she's RS president again.

Tell him to avoid looking at you with a snapshot and let you grow again....

Anyway, the point is to GET OUT OF THERE AS FAST AS POSSIBLE. These guys are not professionally trained, and in my view, have no business in half the issue in their job descriptions. They can do more harm than good. They impose sanctions because someone during a particular phase of their life is having issues, which only makes it worse. Get in, and then get out as fast as possible. Whatever vague generalities you need to use to stop the hammer from coming down, or going down the path of full disclosure -- do it. And don't implicate StayLDS either....one person here was required to stop posting here as part of his "repentence" process when he was considered apostate due to unbelief.
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Re: Meeting with the Branch President

Post by AmyJ » 13 Jun 2018, 13:52

SilentDawning wrote:
13 Jun 2018, 06:42
Anyway, the point is to GET OUT OF THERE AS FAST AS POSSIBLE. These guys are not professionally trained, and in my view, have no business in half the issue in their job descriptions. They can do more harm than good. They impose sanctions because someone during a particular phase of their life is having issues, which only makes it worse. Get in, and then get out as fast as possible. Whatever vague generalities you need to use to stop the hammer from coming down, or going down the path of full disclosure -- do it. And don't implicate StayLDS either....one person here was required to stop posting here as part of his "repentence" process when he was considered apostate due to unbelief.
I have my fingers crossed that my husband will un-schedule the appointment (he is the branch secretary). My husband is more comfortable (probably forgot/not focusing on) my current position because it is not currently causing him a headache. He talked to his mother (who loves me a lot) and they are open-minded and understanding. So now Hubby can talk to them about it if he needs to. I am OK with this because a) he needs someone to talk to and he doesn't have you guys, b) he has to mourn/progress and I can't help him with it because I am the catalyst, c) I would rather get any consequences established so that I know what the new baseline is (plus, I was pretty sure they wouldn't cut us off because I am not antagonistic and we have the last grand babies).

We wound up missing church on Sunday - it was a collective-we-don't-have-the-energy-to-corrall-the-troops-and-be-there type of day. But we did watch and talk positively about 3 really good General Conference talks and rested. I am on the phones as technical support for my full-time position, so I get peopled out really easily these days.

I will continue to post here because this is my lifeline. I am not sure what "repentance process" they can entail. If they want my recommend, they can have it. I don't have any callings - I just serve the Primary organization when they need me to do so on a Sunday-by-Sunday basis. I am going to minister to my list of sisters in or outside their record-keeping. If the organization pushes enough, I would probably not attend church and not allow my daughter to participate in the limited Achievement Days we already do. I believe I have been trained in how to avoid a leadership showdown, and I intend to review the pertinent threads and avoid the situation as much as possible. I don't want to do anything out of spite, in haste, or out of anger. I am EXCELLENT at controlling my temper and guarding my tongue.

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Re: Meeting with the Branch President

Post by AmyJ » 21 Jun 2018, 05:19

UPDATE:
The meeting with the branch president went pretty well. While I knew that our branch president went from being a Catholic to being LDS, I did not know that he took a side tour of Atheism/Agnosticism as well.

When he asked if there was anything he could do to help me, I requested that he counsel with the R.S. Presidency to get the sister who ministers to my family re-assigned to a specific sister who has experience with working with additional needs families and faith transitions. The current ministering sisters would be fabulous (they haven't ministered to me officially yet) - however, I have concerns that what my family and I needs at this juncture in our lives is not what those sisters can offer us - because they have large, traditional, typical developing families and testimonies. I saw him write it down and he mentioned something to my husband, so we shall see.

I also requested that my husband and I be partnered to minister together because that is the best way for us to make sure that we minister to others. I can set up appointments and start conversations, but I stall out when thinking about the treats it is best to give or making meals. My husband does not start conversations due to social anxiety... and setting up appointments is not his thing - but he makes fabulous food and deserts. My husband and I function a lot like coals in a fire - when close enough in what we do, we transfer energy back and forth between each other and sustain a lot of light. When we are pushed away from each other, the energy and momentum dies.

The branch president advised me to still take the sacrament, and to still be involved. He invited me to send him questions if I need to (he has taught seminary for years and is a good reader/researcher). I will probably never take him up on it between reading past threads on this board and plying my questions here (why be limited to 1 sympathetic expert when there is a whole slew of them here?), I think I am good in the question department.
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Re: Meeting with the Branch President

Post by nibbler » 21 Jun 2018, 05:22

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Re: Meeting with the Branch President

Post by Heber13 » 21 Jun 2018, 09:20

I really like this update. Thanks for sharing. I needed to read this today.

I particularly was struck by:
AmyJ wrote:
21 Jun 2018, 05:19
when close enough in what we do, we transfer energy back and forth between each other and sustain a lot of light. When we are pushed away from each other, the energy and momentum dies.
What a great way to frame it to your BP and your spouse. There is so much truth in that statement. Wow.
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He invited me to send him questions if I need to
You are blessed with some good people around you. I am probably like you and wouldn't know if I would take him up on it...but even the gesture he gives is a sign of christ-like love. Be thankful to God for that.

If anything, some questions to him may help you see how he responds, and how he views things. Get him to talk about his views so you know if you can trust him or not...how open he really is.

For example...Word of Wisdom is an easy one to lob out there...since it seems so 1830s simplistic health wisdom of the day that took legs of it's own and became something different than what we have in the D&C. Does he really think it is important? Can a person drink coffee and still have a temple recommend? IDK...you could push the envelope a little with him to see his reaction to things. While also reassuring to him the things you share on this board, which is that you are an honest and sincere seeker of truth...and have a good heart...and am who you are and hope there is room in the church for sincere seekers like yourself. Confirm to him you are not angry or a disruptor...but part of the orchestra of the ward with your own voice.

Does he accept you as you are?
Can he have honest discourse?
Does he understand the struggles members of the ward go through?
Are you a good reminder to leadership that all are not alike in the ward?
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Obi-Wan: "Your father... was seduced by the dark side of the Force. He ceased to be Anakin Skywalker and became Darth Vader. When that happened, the good man who was your father was destroyed. So what I told you was true... from a certain point of view."
Luke: "A certain point of view?"
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Re: Meeting with the Branch President

Post by Curt Sunshine » 21 Jun 2018, 12:07

God bless good people with good hearts.
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Re: Meeting with the Branch President

Post by LDS_Scoutmaster » 28 Jun 2018, 15:19

I am late to the party on this thread, but read through it all with anticipation on the outcome. I'm so glad that it went well! I also hope that you and your DH can continue to find peace. I nearly cried as I read this (in a good way)
AmyJ wrote:
21 Jun 2018, 05:19
He made it clear on several occasions that he would rather be with me in my problems/experiences/challenges then let me handle them alone.
Even though I've stated my concerns from the pulpit, I'm still very careful about how and what I share with people. And as my feelings vary, as you stated as well, sometimes I don't share anything (as it will eventually change again anyway).

I have a good feeling for you as I think about it.
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Re: Meeting with the Branch President

Post by Heber13 » 02 Jul 2018, 11:35

LDS_Scoutmaster wrote:
28 Jun 2018, 15:19
Even though I've stated my concerns from the pulpit, I'm still very careful about how and what I share with people. And as my feelings vary, as you stated as well, sometimes I don't share anything (as it will eventually change again anyway).
Good advice. Especially the realization that feelings change. So...if you state one thing...then feelings change and makes sense to you internally...others still seem to have an opinion based on what they've heard. So...the "don't share anything" approach sometimes is wise.

It is usually of benefit to listen, and observe, more than speak.
Luke: "Why didn't you tell me? You told me Vader betrayed and murdered my father."
Obi-Wan: "Your father... was seduced by the dark side of the Force. He ceased to be Anakin Skywalker and became Darth Vader. When that happened, the good man who was your father was destroyed. So what I told you was true... from a certain point of view."
Luke: "A certain point of view?"
Obi-Wan: "Luke, you're going to find that many of the truths we cling to...depend greatly on our point of view."

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