A Quasi-Funny Comment (in a sorrowful way)

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AmyJ
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A Quasi-Funny Comment (in a sorrowful way)

Post by AmyJ » 26 Mar 2018, 09:47

My husband and I have been married for nearly 11 years now, and we are each other's best friends (even 6 months into Stage 4).

We were talking about stuff - quasi church stuff and just stuff. I mentioned how the church was not fully transparent in regards to where the monies are spent outside of the audit mentioned each General Conference and whatever requirements are needed for the IRS. NOTE: I am undecided as to whether I think further transparency from the church would be good, and I was giving him information in a neutral fashion - just that these are the only 2 parameters I know of regarding church disclosure of monies. He thought further transparency was not needed and would give anti's ammunition against the church. I mentioned that I thought that most people weren't anti/actually against the church, just had a hard time with the belief system, or some of the commandments/traditions of the church as they understood them.

He mentioned "sometimes you are too empathetic" towards non-traditional believers these days and take their points of view a little too far in shaping my viewpoints from his perspective...

I stopped and gave him a strange look because I am an Aspie and our empathy is buried deeply in strange places at random intervals - this is not a traditional moment for empathy. I was also surprised because his comment meant he understand that I had a non-traditional view while missing the concept that my empathy might be coming from similar struggles...

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Re: A Quasi-Funny Comment (in a sorrowful way)

Post by mom3 » 26 Mar 2018, 12:53

Having a son the spectrum - your husband's comment is totally funny. I know context shifts it a bit, but spectrum people are known for not getting emotional cues right all the time.

Good for you girl.
"I stayed because it was God and Jesus Christ that I wanted to follow and be like, not individual human beings." Chieko Okazaki Dialogue interview

"I am coming to envision a new persona for the Church as humble followers of Jesus Christ....Joseph and his early followers came forth with lots of triumphalist rhetoric, but I think we need a new voice, one of humility, friendship and service. We should teach people to believe in God because it will soften their hearts and make them more willing to serve." - Richard Bushman

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Re: A Quasi-Funny Comment (in a sorrowful way)

Post by Roy » 26 Mar 2018, 13:27

This to me seems like a perfect example of breaking something gently. As long as you can have mutual respect for each other the incremental approach might just work.
"It is not so much the pain and suffering of life which crushes the individual as it is its meaninglessness and hopelessness." C. A. Elwood

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Re: A Quasi-Funny Comment (in a sorrowful way)

Post by AmyJ » 27 Mar 2018, 06:07

Roy wrote:
26 Mar 2018, 13:27
This to me seems like a perfect example of breaking something gently. As long as you can have mutual respect for each other the incremental approach might just work.
<crosses fingers>
I don't know whether it will work, but I am a control freak when it comes my personal internal self-control, so deliberately unleashing much grief uncontrolled is not and never has been my style.

Mostly, I take greater responsibility for my actions because I have more information on what Stage 4 is, what I am experiencing, and I am the theoretical expert at living my life. Since I have more information, I have more responsibility.

It also helps that I don't "know" a lot - and I know even less than I thought I knew going into stage 4. So since I don't "know" what I do/don't know, what is there to tell - rather than the "it's not so simple" and generic facts about situations.

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Re: A Quasi-Funny Comment (in a sorrowful way)

Post by Minyan Man » 27 Mar 2018, 08:49

Amy, the good news in your comment is:
We were talking about stuff - quasi church stuff and just stuff.
In my frame of reference, that is huge.

As a side note: I am open & transparent about my personal finances to the church as they are (to me) with their
finances. I don't go into any details at year end for Tithing Settlement or TR interviews.

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Re: A Quasi-Funny Comment (in a sorrowful way)

Post by AmyJ » 27 Mar 2018, 12:05

Minyan Man wrote:
27 Mar 2018, 08:49
Amy, the good news in your comment is:
We were talking about stuff - quasi church stuff and just stuff.
In my frame of reference, that is huge.
Thanks - it's what we do. We have hit most minefields communication-wise at least once, and learned a few "what not to do" things for us. We talk about traditions a lot (without the label per se) because we both usually buck tradition, and take some happiness from doing so. In the last 5 years, we have found out that our brains are not wired for tradition - so now we know...
Minyan Man wrote:
27 Mar 2018, 08:49
As a side note: I am open & transparent about my personal finances to the church as they are (to me) with their
finances. I don't go into any details at year end for Tithing Settlement or TR interviews.
Up until my Stage 4 transition, I "assumed" that there was divine enhancement of all monies in the church and that there was "prophetic" spending of the monies. Now I am more realistic and no longer treat it like a "Santa Clause" event where everything just magically appears and works out financially for the church.

Thankfully, I can bow into the cultural stereotype and let my husband handle the details given out at the end of year Tithing Settlement. For TR/Schooling interviews, I check the checkbox as expected.

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