SamBee wrote: ↑
07 Oct 2017, 02:39
NightSG wrote: ↑
07 Oct 2017, 00:01
dande48 wrote: ↑
05 Oct 2017, 14:27
The SP enforced it.
And that's what makes a lot of people question/leave the Church.
As one put it, "Mormons follow a book of imaginary fairy tales that even the Church itself obviously doesn't believe in. I don't know about the Book of Mormon; I'm talking about that work of fiction they call the handbook."
The handbook is far more dangerous!
But the handbook is very clear on how disciplinary councils are supposed to work. Unfortunately, most (but not all ) of that is included in Handbook 1 and is unavailable to most.
I have been in callings where I have had to participate in disciplinary councils. They seem to be quite rare in this part of the world. Generally speaking I can say they have been positive experiences for me - I have always felt what I consider to the be "the Spirit" in the meetings. I have never been in one where the outcome is "no action" although that is one of the four listed in the handbook with the others being formal discipline, disfellowshipping, and excommunication. I have seen all three of the others, with disfellowshipping being most common. I have also been involved with the ending of discipline councils, which work pretty much the same way.
That said, I do fear having to be part of one where the accused is a married gay person. I think our SP is content in letting sleeping dogs lie as I am aware that there are such members in our stake but they have not had disciplinary councils (and are also not active). Likewise, I am aware of members living unmarried in heterosexual relationships who have also not had disciplinary councils (some of who are 'active"). There are some offenses for which the handbook says excommunication is a must (embezzlement from the church and certain sexual sins are examples).
To Dande's case, I'm not disbelieving you but I agree that there's likely more to the story than you're being told. However, if it really were as you stated there is an appeal process all the way up to the FP, which judging by a comment I heard from Elder Oaks apparently includes the Q12. DHO made a fairly recent comment that sometimes the action of a council is overturned at that level. Generally speaking, holders of the MP must have their council at the stake level but I think that's a more recent change (it used to be only if excommunication were a likely outcome). All others can be done at the ward level.
In the absence of knowledge or faith there is always hope.
Once there was a gentile...who came before Hillel. He said "Convert me on the condition that you teach me the whole Torah while I stand on one foot." Hillel converted him, saying: That which is despicable to you, do not do to your fellow, this is the whole Torah, and the rest is commentary, go and learn it."