Strange Sunday

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ydeve
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Re: Strange Sunday

Post by ydeve » 31 Mar 2017, 23:40

squarepeg wrote:
31 Mar 2017, 19:52

Good point, Roy. Nothing in LDS doctrine/theology comes immediately to mind when I try to think of something that contradicts reincarnation.
The only things that come to mind are:

1) The idea that our gender is an eternal characteristic of who we are doesn't mesh well with reincarnation, with the understanding (and stories) of people's gender possibly changing from life to life.

2) The church (and Joseph Smith) officially teaches/taught that reincarnation is false doctrine, for whatever that's worth. https://www.lds.org/ensign/1989/08/i-ha ... n?lang=eng

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Re: Strange Sunday

Post by DarkJedi » 01 Apr 2017, 05:47

ydeve wrote:
31 Mar 2017, 23:40
squarepeg wrote:
31 Mar 2017, 19:52

Good point, Roy. Nothing in LDS doctrine/theology comes immediately to mind when I try to think of something that contradicts reincarnation.
The only things that come to mind are:

1) The idea that our gender is an eternal characteristic of who we are doesn't mesh well with reincarnation, with the understanding (and stories) of people's gender possibly changing from life to life.

2) The church (and Joseph Smith) officially teaches/taught that reincarnation is false doctrine, for whatever that's worth. https://www.lds.org/ensign/1989/08/i-ha ... n?lang=eng
Not to be argumentative and I do recognize the Ensign is the "official" stance of the church which some people believe to be scripture, but this article could simply be Spencer Palmer's opinion. Likewise, it could have also been Joseph Smith's opinion that reincarnation is a false doctrine. We know Joseph wasn't right about everything, nor are his successors. Just saying.
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Re: Strange Sunday

Post by squarepeg » 03 Apr 2017, 09:42

ydeve wrote:
31 Mar 2017, 23:40

The only things that come to mind are:

1) The idea that our gender is an eternal characteristic of who we are doesn't mesh well with reincarnation, with the understanding (and stories) of people's gender possibly changing from life to life.

2) The church (and Joseph Smith) officially teaches/taught that reincarnation is false doctrine, for whatever that's worth. https://www.lds.org/ensign/1989/08/i-ha ... n?lang=eng
Maybe we can believe in reincarnation if we believe we're always reincarnated as the same gender each time.

Regarding the five points in the link from your point #2:
1. Paul said a lotta things. Mormons have always played pick-n-choose with Paul. One verse in Hebrews? Ehh, whatevs.
2. Maybe we get to pick our favorite human body during the resurrection. Whichever one we like best can be the one we keep for eternity.
3. We can get around this one if we only subscribe to human reincarnation.
4. Reincarnation isn't the only concept that implies that we can work out our salvation in future lives. We do baptisms for the dead, even for people who may have been introduced to the Gospel during their mortal lives, in order to give them a chance in their next life to still accept the Gospel. So why couldn't some people be given another earthly life to work some stuff out?
5. Reincarnation doesn't downgrade Christ's earthly mission and Atonement. For all we know, Jesus only had one earthly life, or perhaps his earthly life of which we have record was his last one.

(For the record, I don't actually personally care whether reincarnation exists or not. I just think it's fun/interesting to think about.)

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Re: Strange Sunday

Post by nibbler » 03 Apr 2017, 12:05

squarepeg wrote:
03 Apr 2017, 09:42
Maybe we can believe in reincarnation if we believe we're always reincarnated as the same gender each time.
That's one way to look at it. If Mormon theology serves as a boundary on some fronts maybe being reincarnated as a different gender is god's way of making sure everyone experiences the joys of childbirth and the pains of attending elders quorum. Reincarnation as different genders would give a soul a more perfect (complete) experience, no?
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