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Re: Meet with An Area Authority?

Posted: 14 May 2014, 10:07
by Forgotten_Charity
kinglamoni wrote:
On Own Now wrote:I didn't pick Atheism... it picked me.
I take a different approach. I choose for my self what to believe.
It greatly depends what fits into someone's brain wiring and their previous experience.
People can and tend to believe almost anything on the whole of the earth as long as their personal experience doesn't contradict it. Regardless of weather it can be proven or not. Once personal experience kicks in, friending on how central the belief is to them, the entire assumptive world view may collapse. Picking values and beliefs that are consistent with the new personal experiences becomes crucial to maintaining sanity and comfort. Some go further and research what else's might collapse before rebuilding their structure feeling uneasy about building the house soon the sand again. Trying to research and make sure it's build on solid ground with existing knowledge. Others rebuild and don't bother checking there structure to make sure, their comfortable throwing caution to the wind and getting on with life quickly.

So while some people believe in god and put all/some of the apples back into the patched broken basket, others don't feel comfortable putting to many or nine at all back into the patched broken basket. It would be like asking them to drive there cracking distance on a blown patched tire. The security is gone for them. It blow, it blow after it was patched, reaffirming to them it will be ok on the second patch to make it to their destination doesn't help or reinstall confidence, security or comfort.

Re: Meet with An Area Authority?

Posted: 14 May 2014, 10:43
by DarkJedi
I agree with kinglamoni - I choose what to believe. But, that choice is certainly influenced by my experiences as FC points out. I have appreciated those in my life who have realized that simply bearing their testimonies of their experiences isn't a magic cure all. There have been those who are just the opposite as well. I used to say this all the time in that regard - your experiences are yours and yours alone, and mine are mine and mine alone. Because God answered your prayer or gave you a certain blessing does not mean he has done or will do the same for anyone else. You can have all the faith, testimony, belief, hope, etc., that you want to have and I will respect that - but your experiences do not necessarily apply to me - they're yours.

Re: Meet with An Area Authority?

Posted: 14 May 2014, 10:56
by On Own Now
DarkJedi wrote:I agree with kinglamoni - I choose what to believe. But, that choice is certainly influenced by my experiences as FC points out. I have appreciated those in my life who have realized that simply bearing their testimonies of their experiences isn't a magic cure all. There have been those who are just the opposite as well. I used to say this all the time in that regard - your experiences are yours and yours alone, and mine are mine and mine alone. Because God answered your prayer or gave you a certain blessing does not mean he has done or will do the same for anyone else. You can have all the faith, testimony, belief, hope, etc., that you want to have and I will respect that - but your experiences do not necessarily apply to me - they're yours.
= subjective.

Re: Meet with An Area Authority?

Posted: 14 May 2014, 11:01
by DarkJedi
On Own Now wrote:
DarkJedi wrote:I agree with kinglamoni - I choose what to believe. But, that choice is certainly influenced by my experiences as FC points out. I have appreciated those in my life who have realized that simply bearing their testimonies of their experiences isn't a magic cure all. There have been those who are just the opposite as well. I used to say this all the time in that regard - your experiences are yours and yours alone, and mine are mine and mine alone. Because God answered your prayer or gave you a certain blessing does not mean he has done or will do the same for anyone else. You can have all the faith, testimony, belief, hope, etc., that you want to have and I will respect that - but your experiences do not necessarily apply to me - they're yours.
= subjective.
Yes, no question about that.

Re: Meet with An Area Authority?

Posted: 14 May 2014, 12:36
by Roy
Forgotten_Charity wrote:People can and tend to believe almost anything on the whole of the earth as long as their personal experience doesn't contradict it. Regardless of weather it can be proven or not. Once personal experience kicks in, friending on how central the belief is to them, the entire assumptive world view may collapse. Picking values and beliefs that are consistent with the new personal experiences becomes crucial to maintaining sanity and comfort. Some go further and research what else's might collapse before rebuilding their structure feeling uneasy about building the house soon the sand again. Trying to research and make sure it's build on solid ground with existing knowledge. Others rebuild and don't bother checking there structure to make sure, their comfortable throwing caution to the wind and getting on with life quickly.
I agree with the above. I might describe myself in the limited agency camp. I believe that there are many things in our life that we might have limited control over that will limit our options (experiences, temperament, genetics, brain chemistry, social structures, culture.... the list goes on and on). These will limit our options and make some fit better than others. The more we choose options that don't quite fit right, the more cognitive dissonance we will experience.

I believe that a measure of peace is obtained by choosing options that "fit" for you personally.

Back to the OP, I am truly impressed by the amount of compassion and outreach shown so far by this AA. :thumbup:

Re: Meet with An Area Authority?

Posted: 14 May 2014, 12:39
by Curt Sunshine
Ultimately what we 'believe' is distinct from what path we choose.


Amen, it can be. That might not be true when we see as children, but when we become adults, hopefully we can make that distinction - no matter how those two things end up interacting.

We say here all the time that what works for someone works for someone - even if something else works for someone else. There is no "one-size/shape-fits all" paradigm that we preach. We don't argue about what any particular person "should" believe or do; we simply encourage every person to believe and do what fits best within "the dictates of (their) own conscience", hopefully under the umbrella of staying LDS.

Re: Meet with An Area Authority?

Posted: 24 May 2014, 09:16
by Deepthinker
Just an update. I met with the Area Authority yesterday and it was a wonderful visit, although much shorter than the first one. I shared with him where I am, that I have given up looking for apologetic answers. I thanked him for his help and excellent advice (which I have been trying to follow) in bringing me to a better place with my faith.

I told him that I feel my faith can be stronger now. He used an analogy about a remodel on his home. One part of the home did not have a basement and that part began to settle. They dug out this area, fixed the settling problem and were able to increase the living space of their basement. He said that I now have more room for faith to grow.

He again shared some other personal experiences, which I will not share here. I offered to help anyone else he comes across that is going through a faith crisis. He appreciated that and was very interested in having me do that.

We exchanged more contact information to stay in touch and he said his door is always open for me if I ever need to talk again.

What a great person he is, he has really helped me get through a tough part of my faith crisis. Thanks to everyone here for the encouragement to meet with him.

Re: Meet with An Area Authority?

Posted: 24 May 2014, 10:38
by Curt Sunshine
:clap: :clap: :clap: :clap:

Individual leaders can make all the difference in the world - both good and bad. I am happy he is a good one.

Re: Meet with An Area Authority?

Posted: 26 May 2014, 21:42
by Daeruin
That's awesome. Thanks so much for letting us know how it's going with you.

Re: Meet with An Area Authority?

Posted: 29 May 2014, 17:57
by wayfarer
this is really a great thread to read.

I think the key comment in all of this is:
With that, we talked about how digging into the answers some people give, such as apologists, can be an addictive habit. I realized that I need to stop looking for answers from apologists.
amen, amen, and amen.

We have learned through sad experience that apologetics destroys faith. The apologetic heuristic twists truth-finding, allowing us to hold onto beliefs that cannot be true. This is not faith, it is deception. Faith and doubt go hand in hand: doubt is the gap between what we know and that which we cannot know, and which we take on faith. Faith is the great Middle Way.