Meet with An Area Authority?

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Re: Meet with An Area Authority?

Post by Orson » 12 May 2014, 09:20

I find the comment about "not visiting the shelf" interesting, and my feeling is that approach is common in the church. Some of us have different temperaments and can't leave it alone. I would say the key is for us to be able to let them leave it alone, and for them to understand it is important for us to know every speck of dust that exists on our shelf.
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Re: Meet with An Area Authority?

Post by Ralph » 12 May 2014, 09:49

Deepthinker wrote: the biggest help to me was just being able to release the pressure I had bottled up with not sharing my doubt with anyone in person.
I completely agree with you. it's so hard not to have people to talk frankly face to face. It creates a lot of pressure.
Thanks for your sharing.

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Post by DarkJedi » 12 May 2014, 10:31

Thanks for sharing, DT, and I'm really glad you see this as something positive because it sounds like it was positive. I hadn't really thought about it before, but I gave up on apologists a while ago - about when I started to come here. I never put a lot of stock in what they said anyway, and sometimes they did make sense, but sometimes there were quite a few of those mental gymnastics often referred to here. Like all things, it's probably good to take the good things they have to offer and leave the rest - of course the problem always is figuring out what the good is.
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Re: Meet with An Area Authority?

Post by Deepthinker » 12 May 2014, 15:59

kinglamoni wrote:Thanks for the update deepthinker. I am glad it was a good experience for you.

With all the "Ambiguity" how does this Area Authority know beyond a shadow of a doubt that it is true? Or does he not "KNOW" the truth of it but believes it is true?
Thanks kinglamoni, I think Ray answered this.

By the way, I read your introduction and would like to add my welcome to you. I'm an engineer and love everything about science, so I really related to your background.

What I have tried to always keep in mind is that science has its limitations.
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Re: Meet with An Area Authority?

Post by Deepthinker » 12 May 2014, 16:02

Orson wrote:I find the comment about "not visiting the shelf" interesting, and my feeling is that approach is common in the church. Some of us have different temperaments and can't leave it alone. I would say the key is for us to be able to let them leave it alone, and for them to understand it is important for us to know every speck of dust that exists on our shelf.
Yes, it made me realize I'm one of those that can't seem to leave it alone. I'm just a detail-oriented person. We actually did talk about that.

What I told him that does help me is that I'm also "big picture" person.
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Post by kinglamoni » 12 May 2014, 17:14

Deepthinker wrote:
Thanks kinglamoni, I think Ray answered this.

By the way, I read your introduction and would like to add my welcome to you. I'm an engineer and love everything about science, so I really related to your background.

What I have tried to always keep in mind is that science has its limitations.
I went back and reread it and yes he does address it.
Thank you for reading my introduction.

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Re: Meet with An Area Authority?

Post by church0333 » 12 May 2014, 22:19

I think the only way to keep believing is to keep putting things on your shelf and when it get full just add another shelf. Most leaders and members that I have talked to about some of the issues just don't want to think about them or study them out. Most of those who truly study the issues end up like us. I have never had anyone give me a satisfying answer, just their testimony and it has never helped. I am happy that this man took the time to meet with you but I doubt it will help in the long run. I hope I am wrong. I don't know if you can put the Jennie back in the bottle but maybe that is not your goal.

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Post by InquiringMind » 12 May 2014, 23:45

It seems unlikely that the AA will be able to give you an answers that you haven't heard before. You may be directed to the apologists for historical and doctrinal questions and may be encouraged to "keep the faith" for spiritual questions. Most of us are here on this forum because we concluded that there aren't good answers to some of the tough questions in the Church.

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Post by DarkJedi » 13 May 2014, 03:18

InquiringMind wrote:It seems unlikely that the AA will be able to give you an answers that you haven't heard before. You may be directed to the apologists for historical and doctrinal questions and may be encouraged to "keep the faith" for spiritual questions. Most of us are here on this forum because we concluded that there aren't good answers to some of the tough questions in the Church.
Good point, IM. And the answer that works for me doesn't necessarily work for anyone else.
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Re: Meet with An Area Authority?

Post by Deepthinker » 13 May 2014, 07:07

church0333 wrote:I think the only way to keep believing is to keep putting things on your shelf and when it get full just add another shelf. Most leaders and members that I have talked to about some of the issues just don't want to think about them or study them out. Most of those who truly study the issues end up like us. I have never had anyone give me a satisfying answer, just their testimony and it has never helped. I am happy that this man took the time to meet with you but I doubt it will help in the long run. I hope I am wrong. I don't know if you can put the Jennie back in the bottle but maybe that is not your goal.
Yes, I think that is the only way to keep believing. My goal is to reach a point where I can more easily manage walking the middle way. Meeting with him so far is helping me to do that.
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