Well said, SD. That is what I try to do as well, look at what the intent was of the person delivering the message and try to remember we are all volunteers trying to help teach and inspire each other...and sometimes it doesn't work right. I am sure I have failed in expressing ideas that I thought would be good...but ended up not really being correct. We all make mistakes, and that is part of learning. I think that is one of the critical elements of church, and why God wants us to interact with each other at church rather than teach us truth on an island...it is in the process of "trying" to inspire and find truth that we sometimes stumble across it...other times we just stumble, laugh it off, and move on.SilentDawning wrote:Also, I would try to deal with comments like "God allowed these people to suffer so that we could have a legacy of faith." by trying to adopt the perspective of the person who said it. He probably was trying to inspire people, bring meaning to the handcart company's suffering, etcetera, and his intentions were probably good, just misdirected. He doesn't KNOW specficially that God had that purpose in mind for their suffering, he's just speculating, so don't accept what he said as necessarily inspired or doctrincal. I would simply reject the idea as inconsistent with my current schema of God, and try not to dwell on it.
I was just reading this article this weekend from BYU Speeches of 1981 where Noel Reynolds talks of "Reason and Revelation", in which he warns:
To me, this means that too many of our youth classes focus on the emotional feelings that youth respond to in the short term, but not the true spirituality that impacts their mind and soul for years to come. When I witness this with my kids attending firesides, I use interview times with them afterwards to express my feelings about the subject.The first problem I would like to mention may be a simple hazard of youth, though I suspect it is more a problem of our times. We are observing a widespread difficulty in distinguishing between sentimentalism and true spiritual experiences. Too much of the literature used, seen, and quoted in the Church today is just sentimental trash which is designed to pull our heartstrings or moisten our eyes, but it is not born of true spiritual experience. The tendency of our youth to use sentimental stories in Church talks creates a culture of spiritual misunderstanding in which thinking and learning are discouraged.
In closing, I plead with you not to be misled by those who would have you believe that spirituality is simply an emotional state. Seek to prepare yourselves that you can approach the Lord with a clear and open mind and that you might be able to understand and follow his word when you receive it."
I think there will come a day when the kids grow up and think to themselves, "I was always taught that about the handcart companies...and it never did make sense to me. I wish someone would have explained it better to me when I was young." However, it doesn't benefit me or my kids to bash the teachers who are trying their best...I am able to just keep it in perspective with their intent...but provide correction to my kids that I think may be necessary.
The fact you say these comments bothered you is evidence to me you are older and more mature now that you can think for yourself and recognize what doesn't sound right to you and your spirit. That is one way, I think, the Spirit can teach you even when the teacher is off-base. Regardless of what you hear at church that is presented as "Truth"...I think you are there to figure out what is truth to you, and what is not truth and why you feel it is not truth (see my Luke and Obi dialogue quoted below in my signature line ). Going through that exercise during church strengthens you and your ability to discern spiritually.
And despite it all...can you continue to hold charity in your heart? That is our test.
BTW...I don't think I went through Stage 4 for 10+ years, although I think I slip back and forth, in and out of it, from time to time. I think the timelines are very different for everyone...not that one is "better", just that we have unique journeys that we pass through. So your stage 4 anger may be 10 years, may be shorter, or may be longer. How is that for a vague answer??