Are you a Skeptical Believer or a Faithful Doubter?

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Re: Are you a Skeptical Believer or a Faithful Doubter?

Post by SamBee » 28 May 2010, 01:47

Oxymormons, the lot of you. :lol:
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Re: Are you a Skeptical Believer or a Faithful Doubter?

Post by Dathon » 18 Jun 2010, 12:44

I'm an ambivalent agnostic. I vacillate between doubt and hope with excursions to anger, fear, flow and transcendence. I don't believe in one true church or that the nature of God is either knowable or can be communicated among human beings limited to space and time. I have faith in the potential of community and the power of compassion.

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Post by Orson » 18 Jun 2010, 14:53

Wow, thanks for that Dathon. It is a very thought provoking response for me personally.

I relate to a lot of what you say. I think it's very human and in fact healthy to recognize when we take journeys through the entire spectrum (or a good part of it) of faith and question. I also don't believe that the true and complete nature of God can be understood or communicated by humans. However, I do think we can properly recognize certain Godly attributes, and relish our experience with them. Things like love, compassion, forgiveness, the gift of life, knowledge, etc.

I do believe there is one true church for me personally, and that another would not fill the unique requirements of my specific situation quite as well.

I also have faith in the potential of community, and see progress - even evolution - of community toward a greater good and a clearer understanding, however slow that progress may be.

FWIW I see myself as a questioning believer - the only type of believer that can be a true or authentic Mormon in my book.
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I first found faith, and thought I had all truth. I then discovered doubt, and claimed a more accurate truth. Now I’ve greeted paradox and a deeper truth than I have ever known.

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Re: Are you a Skeptical Believer or a Faithful Doubter?

Post by Tom Haws » 18 Jun 2010, 20:12

I Am, and I guess that's all I know about myself.
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Post by just me » 18 Jun 2010, 20:23

Tom Haws wrote:I Am, and I guess that's all I know about myself.
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Re: Are you a Skeptical Believer or a Faithful Doubter?

Post by Dathon » 19 Jan 2012, 13:17

Orson wrote:Wow, thanks for that Dathon. It is a very thought provoking response for me personally.

I relate to a lot of what you say. I think it's very human and in fact healthy to recognize when we take journeys through the entire spectrum (or a good part of it) of faith and question. I also don't believe that the true and complete nature of God can be understood or communicated by humans. However, I do think we can properly recognize certain Godly attributes, and relish our experience with them. Things like love, compassion, forgiveness, the gift of life, knowledge, etc.

I do believe there is one true church for me personally, and that another would not fill the unique requirements of my specific situation quite as well.

I also have faith in the potential of community, and see progress - even evolution - of community toward a greater good and a clearer understanding, however slow that progress may be.

FWIW I see myself as a questioning believer - the only type of believer that can be a true or authentic Mormon in my book.
I can agree with what I understand you to have meant, but I could be misinterpreting. It may be that different people find G-d / transcendence in different faith or affinity communities. I believe that the CoJCoLDS has some truth that is viable for many people. I do not feel it has a monopoly on either divine authority or truth. I believe that if it affords what you need, then you ought to stick with it and follow your bliss. I also believe the 11th article of faith, that we ought to respect the right of all people to worship / or not according to the dictates of their own conscience.

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Post by Curt Sunshine » 19 Jan 2012, 14:54

I also believe the 11th article of faith, that we ought to respect the right of all people to worship / or not according to the dictates of their own conscience.


That's one of my favorite "Mormon" quotes of all time - and I know Orson agrees with that sentiment.
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Post by Arwen » 19 Jan 2012, 15:16

I believe in the Atonement of Christ.

I doubt and am skeptical of some things people teach about him.

I believe there is truth in all belief systems and churches.

I would question Christ himself about things I think are weird...and I think he would approve of me questioning him.
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Post by mercyngrace » 19 Jan 2012, 19:31

Orson wrote:FWIW I see myself as a questioning believer - the only type of believer that can be a true or authentic Mormon in my book.
I agree with this completely, Orson. All truth is part of God's truth which means that as "Mormons" we are supposed to be accepting of all truth, whatever forms it takes and regardless of its messenger.

It's ironic that we are taught this principle in the temple and are literally face to face with a reminder of it every day and yet so quickly forget. Our tendency is to dogma defenders rather than truth seekers. We literally and figuratively miss the mark.
Her sins, which are many, are forgiven; for she loved much: but to whom little is forgiven, the same loveth little. ~ Luke 7:47

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Post by hawkgrrrl » 19 Jan 2012, 20:36

I do believe there is one true church for me personally, and that another would not fill the unique requirements of my specific situation quite as well.

I also have faith in the potential of community, and see progress - even evolution - of community toward a greater good and a clearer understanding, however slow that progress may be.

FWIW I see myself as a questioning believer - the only type of believer that can be a true or authentic Mormon in my book.
I agree with all of this.

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