Light of the World 2020 - Nativity Story

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Light of the World 2020 - Nativity Story

Post by mom3 » 30 Nov 2019, 16:55

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Re: Light of the World 2020 - Nativity Story

Post by Roy » 01 Dec 2019, 13:21

Wonderful! Special Note, The Christ child cries. :thumbup:
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Re: Light of the World 2020 - Nativity Story

Post by Katzpur » 01 Dec 2019, 18:17

Roy wrote:
01 Dec 2019, 13:21
Wonderful! Special Note, The Christ child cries. :thumbup:
It was just a whimper. I can assure you than Jesus would never have had colic for three months and cry 18 hours a day! :D
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Re: Light of the World 2020 - Nativity Story

Post by Curt Sunshine » 02 Dec 2019, 06:07

I love the video. Truly love it.

Given my feelings about Away in a Manger, seeing "Little Lord Jesus" cry makes me smile way more than it should. :oops: (Also, I hear "Little Lord Jesus" as a mocking nickname coming from a laughing 6 year old. :lol: )

Also, the wise men visited a young boy in a house. It is scripturally accurate. :clap:

Seriously, I love the video.
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Re: Light of the World 2020 - Nativity Story

Post by DarkJedi » 02 Dec 2019, 06:22

I do like the accuracy of the video, and it is well done. I have especially always been bothered by Jesus being a "perfect" baby. I think the video is on the long side and dragged a bit, but that's my only real criticism.*

*There's also a good amount of pressure here to invite someone to watch it with the missionaries. I may share it but not that way.
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Re: Light of the World 2020 - Nativity Story

Post by Roy » 02 Dec 2019, 12:05

I also enjoyed that this video seems to remove the historically shaky legend of the innkeeper (the word that was translated as "inn" in the KJV is translated "guest room" in the NIV). Current research and thought on the matter is that it would have been scandalous for Joseph not to stay with family in the city of his ancestral home. Also that the animals were likely kept in a connected section of the house and not in a separate structure. I noticed that the video reflected the updated research and thought on the matter.

My family had a discussion on this and the "no crying he makes" legend. My 12 yr old son asked why someone would say that Jesus didn't cry? We talked about how sometimes people use hyperbole to make their point. In the case of Jesus there is contrast in the extremes. Individuals that want to emphasize his power and Lordship may cut out normal baby activities to help make their point. Also, those that wish to emphasize the squalor and rejection of Jesus may play up his parents being turned away from the inn and the birth of Jesus in a literal barn.

I appreciate that this video makes efforts to include new understandings of the nativity in their depictions.
"It is not so much the pain and suffering of life which crushes the individual as it is its meaninglessness and hopelessness." C. A. Elwood

“It is not the function of religion to answer all the questions about God’s moral government of the universe, but to give one courage, through faith, to go on in the face of questions he never finds the answer to in his present status.” TPC: Harold B. Lee 223

"I struggle now with establishing my faith that God may always be there, but may not always need to intervene" Heber13

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Re: Light of the World 2020 - Nativity Story

Post by DarkJedi » 02 Dec 2019, 16:43

Roy I agree with your insights on the inn aspect of the story. Research indicates you are correct. Also, the same word used for inn in this story was used later for the upper room, which was also a guest room. I'm happy the church recognizes these things.

There is one tiny problem from the church point of view. Joseph Smith changed the word to inns in the JST.
In the absence of knowledge or faith there is always hope.

Once there was a gentile...who came before Hillel. He said "Convert me on the condition that you teach me the whole Torah while I stand on one foot." Hillel converted him, saying: That which is despicable to you, do not do to your fellow, this is the whole Torah, and the rest is commentary, go and learn it."

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