DarkJedi wrote: ↑
12 Apr 2019, 16:18
Rey actually saved at least some of the Jedi texts. They're last seen on the Falcon. And it's not clear that she did not study them while hanging out around Luke. The bigger question is not if she can restore the Jedi order (judging by today's teaser she can), but should she?
Yeah, that was already pointed out to me. I had forgotten. Doesn't change the fact that Kylo was trying to get Rey on his side and his way of doing that was to say let your friends die. Not exactly persuasive. The only reason why she paused at all is that he played on all her fears about her origins having come from nothing.
dande48 wrote: ↑
12 Apr 2019, 16:01
I was making the analogy to leadership, not the priesthood. I don't think it matters one bit the gender of who's in charge, and as such sticking a woman in charge won't fix anything, so long as the underlying principles and doctrines remain the same.
I see that, except at church the leadership IS the priesthood. So, your using the church was a poor choice to make that point. A better example might have been kings and queens in history. Some were good, some where bad, regardless of gender.
He killed the first order leadership, and was ready to dismantle everything. He wanted the old organizations to be done away with. That doesn't mean killing everyone. So long as there are "Rebels" there will be "Empires". So long as there are jedi, there will be sith. And all will keep on fighting. Kylo hates the order, and the sith. But he also hated the jedi, because Luke tried to murder him out of fear of Kylo's dark side (ironic?). Being on all sides, he recognized none of it is working. But as long as there's still the "resistance" (meaning the organization, not the individual members), there will still be empires.
I don't disagree, but, Kylo can't say, I don't think you're nothing, join me, but in order to join me you gotta let me kill the people you care about. The rebels being fired upon weren't necessarily extremist, and may have been amenable to a middle ground. Kylo could have had them captured and wooed them. So many other options.
But the thing is, the problem with the Jedi (and the Church) to me isn't the policies. The policies are symptomatic. It's some of the main doctrines that are the real problem. That's the message I got from episodes 1-6, anyways. Back to the Church, if a woman became prophet, woman still came from the rib of man. We can be accepting of gays, but God still commanded Moses to have them all stoned.
So, you take the creation as spoken of in the bible literally?
Are you talking about the whole man shall not lie with another man thing? If so, there is really good evidence that it's actually man shall not lie with boy, that it's actually talking about not engaging in pedophilia.
It's not policies, it's extremist policies. It's a policy at hospitals that family NOT be present while someone is waking up from anesthesia because of how crazy people can be when they first wake up from it and family that aren't trained for that whackiness most often make things worse while trying to help. That's a good policy. A little annoying but ultimately good. Not allowing family to visit at all until the next day after surgery as a policy would be an extreme policy.
Teaching people to love, but also teaching people not to try so hard to win someone's love to the point where you lose yourself is a good thing. Teaching you shouldn't love at all is extremism.
Humans need structure, like our skeletons. Without any we are a pile of goo. With too much tension in our muscles or extra bony growths our bodies go out of whack and we have problems.