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Minyan Man wrote: ↑
14 Oct 2018, 08:21
screwloose wrote: ↑
14 Oct 2018, 07:15
In order to goto the temple my church said I need to attend church every Sunday for a year. It's too hard, pretty much impossible. I'm not a crowd person. Going where there are tons of people gathered, is like information overload to my senses. I get extreme anxiety and need to leave for air.
Attending the temple can have the same effect. It sounds like you haven't been to the temple yet. For your first visit, It can be a 2 to 3 hour program.
Depending on which temple you attend, it can be very crowded. Some of the places you go in the temple can be very confining. You dress in small
cubicles much like a locker room. You do initiatory work in small confined places with 2 other people present. Some ordinance rooms can seem small and confining. If you have a period of anxiety, it is difficult to get outside. You would have to change from temple clothes to street clothes.
My advice would be: think about it very carefully. And talk to people you trust who are willing to talk about their experience of going through for the first time.
Probably best to go during the week in the daytime. Saturdays is when they get really busy. Other days are slower. You'll need an escort for your first time through the endowment... but...
It might be best to discuss your issues with your bishop, and request a part-recommend which will get you in for baptisms. Unfortunately you go in as part of a group, so it is busy but the baptistry is my favorite part of the temple.
Part recommends are much easier to get. If you go during a quieter period it is possible to "chill" in some parts of the temple. Especially if it is quiet. There aren't really windows on temples. Well, there are, but they are often stained glass or smoked. Most of the rooms are windowless, so it's easy to lose track of time.
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I wasn't thinking about the limited use recommend Sam. That's a good point. You don't necessarily have to go with a group, at least not at our temple. The baptistry has times they're open for people to come in and appointments are also possible. Sometimes there might be a group there and you just get added in (much more likely on a Saturday) but sometimes not. In our area there has been a push to get new converts to the temple in the first two months because supposedly when that happens they tend to stay active (I think it's "everybody who has ever eaten a pickle has died" sort of data, but whatever). So those people have been able to go without being part of a group. Ours is one of the small temples so going to the baptistry does get you into the "main part" of the temple and there is a particular feature in ours that they like to show off that even people going to the baptistry are usually shown.
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Been days, I wasnt sure if I was coming back here anymore. I have alittle more info about things and had a couple more supernatural experiences. Had one yesterday afternoon that scared me pretty bad, I've told my family but not my mother for fear she would panic. I do take medication but it has never stopped everything I see, some does get through. I was sleeping yesterday about 2pm. In my dream I was sitting on my bed thinking about something. I felt funny, looked behind me, on the top of our food storage a mans head popped up! Soon as I knew who it was he smiled a wicked smile before going back down behind the cans. It was satan himself! I saw every detail of his face, eye color, face wrinkles, shape of his nose, he had an arrogance about him I wanted to punch him in the face! I took a swing at him but he slipped back down behind the cans. I then woke up with a cold shiver going up my spine, followed by anger at the entire thing. He didnt appear as a monster just a man. If I were an artist I could paint his picture. Usually in my dreams I never see peoples faces very clear or at all. This was the only time in my 41 years to see a face clear as if he was right there in the room with me. It scared me pretty bad. I'm still shaken by the experience. Such arrogance!
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Seeing satan is a pretty scary thing but I recently saw jesus too. I surround my bedroom with pictures of the savior. At the foot of my bed on the wall there is a favorite of mine. Was a few days ago. I was looking at it. The normal yellow background turned blue and was giving off light. The picture became a doorway to wherever the lord is at. I saw clouds behind him that were moving. His hair was blowing in the wind. I could see him breathing. The picture turned into a TV screen except real like a window. I believe the lord was really there looking at me! I saw his real face. As I was watching him his left hand started glowing orange and giving off light! The center of the light was the hole in his hand. I think he was just telling me that he is watching over us. This incredible visitation lasted a good 45 seconds. Then it started fading away untill only the flat picture remained. He was gone from my room. I see white lights on his pictures sometimes, pretty often actually, but never this. I think seeing his face brought on the visitation by satan.
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That sounds like a special experience Screwloose. Perhaps the negative is a counter balance to the good. To let us know that hope is not lost and we are not forgotten.
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I am glad you are able to maintain perspective and learn from these experiences. I like Roy's point about seeing balance.
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