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Re: Spiritual Anchors

Posted: 22 Jul 2018, 06:47
by Gerald
If I repent and am forgiven, and then commit the same sin again, my previous repentance will be revoked.
I remember hearing this a lot. I have decided that this is not the way repentance works. Repentance is a lifelong process of trying, failing, trying, failing and trying again. Some sins we move away from. Others persist. I had a friend (a counselor) talk to me about "relapse." He said that when someone attempts to change their behavior (say drug addiction) there is almost always a point in their recovery where they relapse (return to the behavior). He said what is important is what you do at that point. Some people give up. Others recognize it as a slip and attempt to correct. His perspective is that there will always be a relapse and that should be recognized at the beginning of any behavior change project. I believe that if the same were applied to the repentance process (coupled with the life long process idea) that we'd have more people repenting or, better said, attempting to make good changes to their lives instead of holding on to the old damaging behaviors.

Re: Spiritual Anchors

Posted: 22 Jul 2018, 07:28
by DarkJedi
Gerald wrote:
22 Jul 2018, 06:47
If I repent and am forgiven, and then commit the same sin again, my previous repentance will be revoked.
I remember hearing this a lot. I have decided that this is not the way repentance works. Repentance is a lifelong process of trying, failing, trying, failing and trying again. Some sins we move away from. Others persist. I had a friend (a counselor) talk to me about "relapse." He said that when someone attempts to change their behavior (say drug addiction) there is almost always a point in their recovery where they relapse (return to the behavior). He said what is important is what you do at that point. Some people give up. Others recognize it as a slip and attempt to correct. His perspective is that there will always be a relapse and that should be recognized at the beginning of any behavior change project. I believe that if the same were applied to the repentance process (coupled with the life long process idea) that we'd have more people repenting or, better said, attempting to make good changes to their lives instead of holding on to the old damaging behaviors.
^This. Absolutely.

Re: Spiritual Anchors

Posted: 22 Jul 2018, 09:16
by Roy
This repentance teaching ticks me off. Partly because of the damage that it can do to individuals with scrupulosity and the other part because it does not seem to be doctrine.

Where is the source material for this teaching? Is it merely to overstate the danger of taking a detour from the straight and narrow path? is it to combat what was perceived as the worlds (sectarian) permissive and lax stance with easy repentance and free grace?

Is this the law or is it a "hedge" to the law?

Re: Spiritual Anchors

Posted: 22 Jul 2018, 09:42
by dande48
I'll be starting a new thread here shortly, but I was asked to give a talk next month on repentance, and would love it if you'd all chip in. Especially with counteracting this harmful teaching:
If I repent and am forgiven, and then commit the same sin again, my previous repentance will be revoked.

Re: Spiritual Anchors

Posted: 22 Jul 2018, 10:51
by Roy
Yes, definitely a worthwhile topic. I look forward to commenting in the new thread.