General Conference Discussion

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Re: General Conference Discussion

Post by RuthandI » 04 Oct 2009, 06:51

Thanks for that more positive overview of Elder Oaks' talk. I have REALLY been struggling with that one and headed to trusty old stay lds this morning in hopes that someone wiser and more positive than I had something to say about it!! I guess I hadn't heard the talk he'd given previously on homosexuality. I woke up in the middle of the night in sweats, worrying that I was going to hell for the change in my beliefs and a desire to get my kids as far away from this kind of thinking as possible!! Do you think I'm still a little defensive :lol: :lol: :lol: ! I reminded myself this morning of the kind of talks that Bruce R McConkie used to give as well as Kimball. Like you said, Hawkgirrl, its just different personalities I guess. I'm sure he's a great guy with pure intentions and the church is still good. I just wish I could talk to him in person, tell him how much people like me are trying to believe and help him to see that he ruins lives with this kind of dogma. Thanks again for this discussion. I too really enjoyed Uchtdorf and Bednar. I need to go back and listen to Elder Andersons talk if some of you liked it so much. I turned it off after Hales to vent to my brother so I have some catching up to do. Here's to some great listening today!

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Re: General Conference Discussion

Post by just me » 04 Oct 2009, 09:30

Oh, I also noticed a lot more testifying of Christ and not very much testifying of Monson or brethren. I am so, so glad. I really enjoy listening to the testimonies of Christ.
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Re: General Conference Discussion

Post by Curt Sunshine » 04 Oct 2009, 11:08

I liked the obvious love and gentleness of the greetings between the spouses at the end of the first session today – and the fact that a couple of the widowers in the 12 were supporting each other as they walked out. That sight choked me up a bit.

These are deeply good men and women.
I see through my glass, darkly - as I play my saxophone in harmony with the other instruments in God's orchestra. (h/t Elder Joseph Wirthlin)

Even if people view many things differently, the core Gospel principles (LOVE; belief in the unseen but hoped; self-reflective change; symbolic cleansing; striving to recognize the will of the divine; never giving up) are universal.

"For every complex problem there is an answer that is clear, simple, and wrong." H. L. Mencken

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Re: General Conference Discussion

Post by silentstruggle » 04 Oct 2009, 11:46

I thought Elder Ballard's talk on father/son communication was very good. Priesthood had a bit of a different tone than it usually does; more topic-oriented, less aaronic priesthood, mission-prep-oriented, or at least that's how I took it.

I liked President Monson's talk in the Sunday Morning session. How do you argue with the Christianity of Service to others. Loved the warm fuzzys.

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Re: General Conference Discussion

Post by bridget_night » 04 Oct 2009, 12:16

hawkgrrrl wrote:- E. Uchtdorf referred to "heavenly parents" rather than just HF. We need more of that. It was a nice detail.
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Interesting since the new RS, PT, Gospel Principles manual is taking out all references to Heavenly Parents and mother now. Have not been able to watch any of Saturdays that I taped. Been real sick with Ragweed hayfever and sinus infection so I appreciated all the commentary on Sat. sessions. Interesting that Monson's daughter, Ann Dibb spoke. Good analogy of Scaffolding and using life saving equipment but the females who speak at conference all seem to still have that "primary' teaching voice. Apostle Nelson's talk on "Personal Revelation' was fine until he mentioned that personal revelation will never contridicate church doctrine. I guess Nephi was wrong in the voice he heard to kill Laban then or if a mother hears the voice to work outside the home. Since Dallin Oaks gave the talk on Special Cases though that I post somewhere on this board, I know is probably not what Elder Nelson means. I also liked President Monson's talk about what the children sent him for his birthday and the warm fuzzies. I actually enjoy watching the "Worldview reports' about what the church is doing in the world between the conference sessions on the BYU channel the best.

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Re: General Conference Discussion

Post by silentstruggle » 04 Oct 2009, 12:44

we should all be in church with our children's clothes perfectly ironed
mwallace57, I would take this with a grain of salt. First you have the 'new'' leader factor, and secondly, it's just one person's opinion.

I personally think that sometimes we, especially here in Utah, get hung up on what is proper and what is not. In my opinion, if you and your kids are clean, and their hair is combed and their clothes are clean and relatively unrumpled, I'd let this fly by and not worry about it. Save the guilt for useful and important things and use your entitlement to the spirit by virtue of your role as mother to determine the best use of time for your personal stewardship.

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Re: General Conference Discussion

Post by hawkgrrrl » 04 Oct 2009, 14:38

Mme Curie - I'd check on my porn stat of 25%. I don't have the source - it's basically hearsay from other porn discussion elsewhere in the b'nacle. My guess is that some is couples-porn, but I don't know (apparently more couples frequent strip joints than previously also, another social change in the making). Also, I think porn's something that even when viewed as a couple doesn't necessarily stay that way. My biggest objection to porn is supporting an exploitative industry.

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Re: General Conference Discussion

Post by Poppyseed » 04 Oct 2009, 15:17

Well, I genuninely enjoyed Holland's remarks about the BofM and I appreciated his boldness. In all of my questioning, it was the BofM and my experience with it that I couldn't argue with. It is the thing, above all, that has kept me anchored to this faith. I really do believe the record is true.

I also felt enlightened by the talks on the natural man in terms of hard hearts vs. soft ones. I appreciated that twice the same scriptures concerning the natural man being an enemy to God were shared and I appreciated the reference to spiritual discernment. It was good to get a fresh tutorial on the subject. I also appreciated Elder Christopherson's remarks there at the end of Sunday's 2nd session.

I am now going to eat brownie with the kids and take a family drive thru the canyon. Enjoy your Conference Sunday everyone.
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Re: General Conference Discussion

Post by bridget_night » 04 Oct 2009, 16:14

I also appreciated brother Hollands talk on the BofM. I always like him and feel his geniune sincerity. I did not like brother Ringworms talk about 'easy and willing' and if you are that way you will have the spirit. He used those words like a hundred times where it was overkill. It was like saying if you question or doubt or struggle with the gospel you are not as good a person and will not have the spirit. The choir was sure nice though.

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Re: General Conference Discussion

Post by Curt Sunshine » 04 Oct 2009, 17:55

It's Elder RIngwood - although Ringworm is a funny alternative. :D

He's not an apostle, and, more importantly, that's not taught by the united voice of the apostles, so I chalk it up to personal opinion.
I see through my glass, darkly - as I play my saxophone in harmony with the other instruments in God's orchestra. (h/t Elder Joseph Wirthlin)

Even if people view many things differently, the core Gospel principles (LOVE; belief in the unseen but hoped; self-reflective change; symbolic cleansing; striving to recognize the will of the divine; never giving up) are universal.

"For every complex problem there is an answer that is clear, simple, and wrong." H. L. Mencken

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