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Read these words to yourself....
(now....start from the bottom line, and read from bottom to top)
This was the absolute worst week of Church ever
Don’t try to convince me that
There are really good people and
Love is all that matters
Because, when you take a closer look,
This church has so many things wrong with it,
This world is a pretty evil place and
Some goodness does shine through once in a while
Love and acceptance won’t last.
And it’s not true that
It’s all in my mind and heart
True happiness can be obtained
If I give some effort,
Because I’m sure you can see that
It’s all beyond my control
And you’ll never in a million years hear me say that
I love my ward and I think Church was great this week.
Perspectives are interesting. How we communicate our line of thinking is tricky. It is too simplistic to say it is all in our positive thinking or attitude, but it is equally simplistic to say it doesn't matter.
Perhaps there is a middle ground...attitude and effort matter, despite reality that reminds us it is not all that matters. I dunno. Just musing today over these things and how differences in individuals require love, patience, and good communication skills.
Luke: "Why didn't you tell me? You told me Vader betrayed and murdered my father."
Obi-Wan: "Your father... was seduced by the dark side of the Force. He ceased to be Anakin Skywalker and became Darth Vader. When that happened, the good man who was your father was destroyed. So what I told you was true... from a certain point of view."
Luke: "A certain point of view?"
Obi-Wan: "Luke, you're going to find that many of the truths we cling to...depend greatly on our point of view."
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Pretty interesting what you did there!
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I love mental exercises that force us to consider things from multiple angles.
As in most cases, reality is somewhere in the middle for most people.
I see through my glass, darkly - as I play my saxophone in harmony with the other instruments in God's orchestra. (h/t Elder Joseph Wirthlin)
Even if people view many things differently, the core Gospel principles (LOVE; belief in the unseen but hoped; self-reflective change; symbolic cleansing; striving to recognize the will of the divine; never giving up) are universal.
"For every complex problem there is an answer that is clear, simple, and wrong." H. L. Mencken
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"I stayed because it was God and Jesus Christ that I wanted to follow and be like, not individual human beings." Chieko Okazaki Dialogue interview
"I am coming to envision a new persona for the Church as humble followers of Jesus Christ....Joseph and his early followers came forth with lots of triumphalist rhetoric, but I think we need a new voice, one of humility, friendship and service. We should teach people to believe in God because it will soften their hearts and make them more willing to serve." - Richard Bushman
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Reminds me of a man who wanted to smoke and pray. He asked one wise man "Can I smoke while I pray?". The answer was "no". then he asked a different wise man "Can I pray while I smoke?". The answer was Yes.
Wording is everything.
"It doesn't have to be about the Church (church) all the time!" -- SD
"Stage 5 is where you no longer believe the gospel as its literally or traditionally taught. Nonetheless, you find your own way to be active and at peace within it". -- SD
The individual has always had to struggle to keep from being overwhelmed by the tribe. No price is too high to pay for the privilege of owning yourself."
My introduction: viewtopic.php?f=8&t=1576