Testimony without "I know"

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Testimony without "I know"

Post by DarkJedi » 07 Mar 2017, 14:57

In yesterday's email my young Padawan who is a missionary told me he is trying to eliminate "I know" from his testimony bearing. He explained a little bit of why and I affirmed that I don't use the term either and shared that sometimes in place of it I say "I believe" or "I hope." and sometimes "It is my testimony that...." I also tried to briefly explain how I use what I call "statement testimony" in phrases like "God loves us" or "Jesus lives." Those are a bit harder to explain out of context. Anyway, I told him I'd respond further in next week's email and I got thinking about the subject. I'm looking for input. How do you bear testimony without using the "I know" phrase?
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Re: Testimony without "I know"

Post by mom3 » 07 Mar 2017, 15:05

"It's been my experience that ...."

"I realized the other day ...."

"While I was reading I"

"I have found for me."

"I have a firm conviction/belief that Service or Loving Others is the key to "
"I stayed because it was God and Jesus Christ that I wanted to follow and be like, not individual human beings." Chieko Okazaki Dialogue interview

"I am coming to envision a new persona for the Church as humble followers of Jesus Christ....Joseph and his early followers came forth with lots of triumphalist rhetoric, but I think we need a new voice, one of humility, friendship and service. We should teach people to believe in God because it will soften their hearts and make them more willing to serve." - Richard Bushman

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Re: Testimony without "I know"

Post by Ray DeGraw » 07 Mar 2017, 15:08

In the exact same way I would if I used "I know" - but I also feel comfortable saying "I know" about some things, especially Gospel principles like love, service, compassion, mercy, humility, diversity, etc.
I see through my glass, darkly - as I play my saxophone in harmony with the other instruments in God's orchestra. (h/t Elder Joseph Wirthlin)

Even if people view many things differently, the core Gospel principles (LOVE; belief in the unseen but hoped; self-reflective change; symbolic cleansing; striving to recognize the will of the divine; never giving up) are universal.

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Re: Testimony without "I know"

Post by SilentDawning » 07 Mar 2017, 17:07

I did it last Sunday. I think a testimony can simply be a story. I told how the BoM altered my thinking entirely about how I live my life with the scripture on how men are that they might have joy. That following that counsel -- of making potential joy production the filter through which everything passes -- what to keep and throw away in my personal belongings, to where to commit my time. And that I have been happier in the last three years than ever before by following that filtration method.

I didn't say "I know it's true". I don't know for sure it is anymore. I think parts of it are brilliant and worthy of living my life by. And so that is my testimony.

In stayingLDS, I think it's powerful to constantly recognize the good in our religion. This is where common ground exists, and makes us capable of testifying about it.

But I found I could only do this after I liberated myself from conventional Mormonism. I had to find my own place in the world, and put the LDS Church in a place where it could enhance my life's happiness, not detract from it. Only then did I feel I could "testify" about aspects of it.
"It doesn't have to be about the Church (church) all the time!" -- SD

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Re: Testimony without "I know"

Post by Heber13 » 08 Mar 2017, 13:43

SilentDawning wrote:In stayingLDS, I think it's powerful to constantly recognize the good in our religion. This is where common ground exists, and makes us capable of testifying about it.
Good point.
Luke: "Why didn't you tell me? You told me Vader betrayed and murdered my father."
Obi-Wan: "Your father... was seduced by the dark side of the Force. He ceased to be Anakin Skywalker and became Darth Vader. When that happened, the good man who was your father was destroyed. So what I told you was true... from a certain point of view."
Luke: "A certain point of view?"
Obi-Wan: "Luke, you're going to find that many of the truths we cling to...depend greatly on our point of view."

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Re: Testimony without "I know"

Post by mom3 » 08 Mar 2017, 15:21

SD - This needs to be a tag line somewhere.
In stayingLDS, I think it's powerful to constantly recognize the good in our religion. This is where common ground exists, and makes us capable of testifying about it.
"I stayed because it was God and Jesus Christ that I wanted to follow and be like, not individual human beings." Chieko Okazaki Dialogue interview

"I am coming to envision a new persona for the Church as humble followers of Jesus Christ....Joseph and his early followers came forth with lots of triumphalist rhetoric, but I think we need a new voice, one of humility, friendship and service. We should teach people to believe in God because it will soften their hearts and make them more willing to serve." - Richard Bushman

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Re: Testimony without "I know"

Post by SamBee » 08 Mar 2017, 18:20

"I know" was eliminated from my testimony years ago. Instead I focus on positive aspects of the church and gospel.
DASH1730 "An Area Authority...[was] asked...who...would go to the Telestial kingdom. His answer: "murderers, adulterers and a lot of surprised Mormons!"'
1ST PRES 1978 "[LDS] believe...there is truth in many religions and philosophies...good and great religious leaders... have raised the spiritual, moral, and ethical awareness of their people. When we speak of The [LDS] as the only true church...it is...authorized to administer the ordinances...by Jesus Christ... we do not mean... it is the only teacher of truth."

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