My visit to a Unitarian Universalist church

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Re: My visit to a Unitarian Universalist church

Post by flower » 07 Feb 2011, 22:41

Tom - Your UU congregation sounds wonderful!
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Re: My visit to a Unitarian Universalist church

Post by cwald » 08 Feb 2011, 08:30

Tom Haws wrote: Where revealed religions tend to say morality is whatever the religion says it is, UU anchors on humanism to "guard against idolatries" and stick to the golden rule. For me at least, that's more absolute and unchanging than a "follow the prophet" model.
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Re: My visit to a Unitarian Universalist church

Post by SamBee » 09 Feb 2011, 11:26

Tom Haws wrote: So, moral relativism, eh? This is totally a revelation for me to hear you continue to express in new nuances your impression of UU, because every time you express a distaste, it seems I have experienced the diametric opposite. In this instance, for me, UU has been an answer to the moral relativism of revealed religion. Where revealed religions tend to say morality is whatever the religion says it is, UU anchors on humanism to "guard against idolatries" and stick to the golden rule. For me at least, that's more absolute and unchanging than a "follow the prophet" model.
I guess it's another one of those paradoxes (why are there so many of them?) that "follow the leader" creates a dangerous mentality, yet I believe that "morality is what you make it to be" or "we are our own judges" (for want of better phrases) is also dangerous.

In one, you get a person who does whatever they're told, right or wrong, and in the other, you get a person whose vision of right and wrong is so blurred, that they mix the two up! For fictional examples of one and the other, "The Wave" by Todd Strasser (based on real events in California), and "Crime and Punishment" by Dostoyevsky, which while fiction seems to have been influenced by people he met.
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Re: My visit to a Unitarian Universalist church

Post by Tom Haws » 09 Feb 2011, 22:30

Awesome observation, SamBee. Totally on. I think the paradox is delicious.
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Re: My visit to a Unitarian Universalist church

Post by Orson » 10 Feb 2011, 08:19

Interesting observations Sam.

I guess human logic will always have the potential of danger.
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Re: My visit to a Unitarian Universalist church

Post by SamBee » 10 Feb 2011, 10:59

I guess if anything can be learnt from that, it's to avoid extremes! We're wrong to give up all control, and wrong also perhaps to assume we always know best, and the other person/whatever doesn't.
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Re: My visit to a Unitarian Universalist church

Post by Curt Sunshine » 10 Feb 2011, 12:42

I really like that conclusion, Sam.
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