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Posted: 14 Jun 2010, 20:00
I have concluded there is no hope for certainty. You can just look at this forum and see many different views of what God is and how he interacts with us. With so many different view points how can one ever be certain of god and his nature unless he were to visit you personally on multiple occasions and instruct you on a one on one basis. Since he does not do that I conclude it is not important to him that we understand him completely. Or be certain of his nature or existence.
Posted: 14 Jun 2010, 20:10
I Am That I Am.
Of that I am certain. No quibbles or doubts.
Posted: 14 Jun 2010, 20:13
HiJolly wrote:Even if we see God, we still do not begin to understand even .0001% of the reality that is He. In this life, we walk by faith, and that it true whether we've received our 2nd anointing or seen the Savior in the flesh and embraced Him, or whatever.
I just thought that was worth repeating. Meeting is only the beginning. Aim high. Believe in the possibilities.
Posted: 17 Jun 2010, 07:51
Cadence wrote:I have concluded there is no hope for certainty.
You are expressing a high degree of certainty in that statement
I love religion! It is such a mental trip.
Posted: 17 Jun 2010, 19:27
There is a scripture that has bothered me for several decades since missionary days which I think I have a handle on now:
And now as I said concerning faith—faith is not to have a perfect knowledge of things; therefore if ye have faith ye hope for things which are not seen, which are true. Alma 32: 21
My question was, isn't it unfair, impossible, unjust to require a person to have faith only in things that are true but which he has an imperfect knowledge of. How am I better off as a Mormon missionary than as a Muslim terrorist? Neither can prove his way is right with God, our degree of conviction and follow-through is impressive (2 years service and dieing for god), yet (supposedly) the missionary is blessed and the terrorist is lost. If a terrorist is to easy to judge then what about a Baptist missionary? How can a fair god bless one and not the other because of historical happen-stance?
But recently I have come to believe that God blesses all nations and peoples with as much light and knowledge as they will accept. All have the Light of Christ with them, and on occasion some of them will be guided by the Holy Ghost. If a person exercises their agency to choose good over bad, or at least strive for they highest good in their choices, and that becomes a constant theme of their life, then I believe they will have salvation & exhalation (perhaps just as soon as the Mormons do their clerical work and run their names thru the temple.) In that way I can understand Alma 32, accept Mormons one-and-only stuff and additionally recognize the world of good that people in other religious traditions do and are.
BTW, I have also recently come to a definition of faith that helps me better understand it. Faith, I believe, is to have confidence to do the right thing, even though you don't have a guarantee of a reward.
Posted: 18 Jun 2010, 04:28
Ray Degraw wrote:I think whether or not we see God in this life depends largely on how we define God.
I don't expect to see HF or Jesus any time soon, but I believe I've seen God more than once - and I am certain (no doubts whatsoever) I have heard God's voice.
Surely depends more on the definition of "see"?
Posted: 18 Jun 2010, 08:57
Yeah, definitions are important!