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Re: Petition to end private youth interviews?

Post by Roy » 24 Jan 2018, 15:04

nibbler wrote:
24 Jan 2018, 14:24
Or, what do worthiness interviews in general accomplish? Adults and youth alike.
I have briefly considered that too. I believe the obvious answer is the temple. Who should be allowed to attend? Who should not be permitted to attend? Remove temple worship and bishop's interviews seem to lose purpose.
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Re: Petition to end private youth interviews?

Post by LookingHard » 24 Jan 2018, 15:32

nibbler wrote:
24 Jan 2018, 14:24
Or, what do worthiness interviews in general accomplish? Adults and youth alike.
Simple - boundary maintenance and a feeling of accountability to priesthood leaders.

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Re: Petition to end private youth interviews?

Post by dande48 » 24 Jan 2018, 18:49

nibbler wrote:
24 Jan 2018, 14:24
So what does the interview accomplish? To ensure that children have "correct" beliefs and acceptable behavior?
To quote someone someone slightly out of context,
Oscar Wilde wrote:“It is the confession, not the priest, that gives us absolution.”
I think that's true. When we do something wrong, we too often feel ashamed (on some level) and cover it up. And it can fester. Not only that, but it can lead to a cycle of secret addiction (such as in the case of porn). Telling someone you can trust, to help you "work your way through it", and "nip it in the bud", resolve it before it gets out of hand, is so much more healthy than keeping it all a secret. It's important to figure out, "What do I do now?", and "Where do I go from here?", instead of sweeping it under the rug.

But to tell someone, who feels bad enough, and has had the courage to go through an LDS Bishop's confession, "You are not worthy", is a huge step in the wrong direction. We should be focused on repetance, recovery, and affirmative action, rather than sticking people in boxes of "worthy" and "unworthy".
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Re: Petition to end private youth interviews?

Post by Curt Sunshine » 24 Jan 2018, 20:30

I added an Admin Note to the original post, just to make sure everyone who reads the initial post understands that StayLDS.com, as a site, does NOT support any petitions or organized movements to demand change within the LDS Church. It is fine if people here do so individually, but we don't do so as a site.
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Re: Petition to end private youth interviews?

Post by SilentDawning » 25 Jan 2018, 09:26

It'd be a big change, but I'd propose a new layer added under the Bishop; A male and female youth counselor. Or even better, just make one of the Bishop's counselors a brother, and another a sister, and remove the "priesthood" requirement. Last I checked, the counselors could still conduct youth interviews on the Bishop's behalf. And I think everyone would be more open to discussing the more "sensitive" matters with someone belonging to their own gender.

Also, give them all professional training, and a small stipend for their time. ;)
I have long felt the bishop's job is too expansive for a volunteer. I would like to see the Bishop be more of an adminstrator -- to see callings filled, the ward running, oversee finances. I would like to see a separate Stake welfare specialist organization reporting to someone in the Stake overall. Relieve the bishop of the burden of that, although there is strong communication from the Stake Specialist when there is a need the Ward can fill (like getting donations for furniture, for example). Also, you find the welfare needs tend to be the largest in wards where it's a much bigger sacrifice for the members to clear off those deficits due to low income (in certain cases). Looking at it as a big stake budget, would help. I have no problem with "equalization" of wealth provided all people doing the giving donate voluntarily as a free will offering. It's when it's mandated that it bothers me...

And I would like to see personal and family counseling occur through a separate person. Someone trained marriage and personal counseling, who can also impart a spiritual angle. LDS social services, every time I called them, they were too booked up to see me when I was on the verge of depression due to church stuff years ago. The church doesn't invest enough in that area....

I still think the Bishop could do the worthiness interviews. I do think it's unwise to have parents there. I think it's wise to have limits on what the Bishop can ask, to hold meetings when others are present outside the office (like a parent).

The handbook says the Bishop cannot delegate personal counseling, last time I read it...
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Re: Petition to end private youth interviews?

Post by Roy » 25 Jan 2018, 14:18

SilentDawning wrote:
25 Jan 2018, 09:26
to hold meetings when others are present outside the office (like a parent).
The church may already do some of this. A few weeks ago on of the Elders that serves as exec secretary or ward clerk (not sure which) had to excuse himself from elder's Quorum because Bishop was meeting with a woman. He was going to sit outside the office.
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Re: Petition to end private youth interviews?

Post by SamBee » 26 Jan 2018, 07:37

Roy wrote:
25 Jan 2018, 14:18
SilentDawning wrote:
25 Jan 2018, 09:26
to hold meetings when others are present outside the office (like a parent).
The church may already do some of this. A few weeks ago on of the Elders that serves as exec secretary or ward clerk (not sure which) had to excuse himself from elder's Quorum because Bishop was meeting with a woman. He was going to sit outside the office.
I've done that for one of our bishops before. A bit boring for me, but I understand why it happens.
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Re: Petition to end private youth interviews?

Post by SamBee » 26 Jan 2018, 07:39

SilentDawning wrote:
25 Jan 2018, 09:26

I have long felt the bishop's job is too expansive for a volunteer. I would like to see the Bishop be more of an adminstrator -- to see callings filled, the ward running, oversee finances. I would like to see a separate Stake welfare specialist organization reporting to someone in the Stake overall. Relieve the bishop of the burden of that, although there is strong communication from the Stake Specialist when there is a need the Ward can fill (like getting donations for furniture, for example). Also, you find the welfare needs tend to be the largest in wards where it's a much bigger sacrifice for the members to clear off those deficits due to low income (in certain cases). Looking at it as a big stake budget, would help. I have no problem with "equalization" of wealth provided all people doing the giving donate voluntarily as a free will offering. It's when it's mandated that it bothers me...
As I understand it, the bishop's burden is supposed to be spread out across the bishopric but it doesn't work like that always in real life.
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Re: Petition to end private youth interviews?

Post by LookingHard » 26 Jan 2018, 08:03

I was asked once or twice as a counselor to some bishops to stick around on Wednesday night late or even once on Sunday night because a sister needed to meet with him, but never while others were in the building.

To me that seems different than what is being focused on.

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