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Re: Mormondiscussion Podcast

Post by Roy » 23 Aug 2015, 13:56

Thank you DB,

Fitting with the purposes of this site, it would seem that one possible way to reconcile it all is to take the view of LDS historians such as Leonard Arrington, Richard Bushman, and Michael Quinn.

Their perspectives seem to fit a general model of "Something powerful happened and it was difficult for the participants to fully describe it. New and important truths were born from these experiences."

I can see how that view could be quite helpful and ultimately sustainable. Something did happen. Truth did spring forth. Sure the truth was mixed with error, false assumptions, personalities, and environmental factors but that is just part of being human.

Worth considering anyway.
"It is not so much the pain and suffering of life which crushes the individual as it is its meaninglessness and hopelessness." C. A. Elwood

“It is not the function of religion to answer all the questions about God’s moral government of the universe, but to give one courage, through faith, to go on in the face of questions he never finds the answer to in his present status.” TPC: Harold B. Lee 223

"I struggle now with establishing my faith that God may always be there, but may not always need to intervene" Heber13

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Re: Mormondiscussion Podcast

Post by DBMormon » 23 Aug 2015, 15:40

Roy wrote:Thank you DB,

Fitting with the purposes of this site, it would seem that one possible way to reconcile it all is to take the view of LDS historians such as Leonard Arrington, Richard Bushman, and Michael Quinn.

Their perspectives seem to fit a general model of "Something powerful happened and it was difficult for the participants to fully describe it. New and important truths were born from these experiences."

I can see how that view could be quite helpful and ultimately sustainable. Something did happen. Truth did spring forth. Sure the truth was mixed with error, false assumptions, personalities, and environmental factors but that is just part of being human.

Worth considering anyway.
That is how I do it as well

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Re: Mormondiscussion Podcast

Post by DBMormon » 29 Aug 2015, 21:57

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EPISODE 158:Revisiting Our Bad Days
Today Ryan Boothe sits down with me and we rehash the “Our Bad Days” episode to delve deeper into some of the emotion that was being shared. Ryan is asking the questions today and he leads the conversation like a master interviewer. We discuss my frustration and why I in part blame the church. We talk about how we as people can do better and how the church can improve. Your feedback is always welcome and we hope to hear from you. Buckle your sea belts, sit back…. and enjoy the ride!

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Re: Mormondiscussion Podcast

Post by DBMormon » 06 Sep 2015, 07:16

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159: Handshakes and Drawn Swords - PART II

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Today we revisit our episode from a short time ago, “Handshakes and Drawn Swords”. We talk about the discussion that has ensued and rebuttals apologists have made that has come about because of it. While apologists argue this perspective is absurd, I argue that it still has a seat at the table.

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Re: Mormondiscussion Podcast

Post by DBMormon » 27 Sep 2015, 08:25

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161: The Life and Trial of John W. Taylor

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Today we talk about the an episode few in the Church know about… the life and Disciplinary trial of former Apostle John W. Taylor. Brother Taylor continued polygamy after the 1890 manifesto and even after the 1904 second manifesto and today we talk about his trial searching for insights into this episode in Church history of “Curious Workmanship”

http://mormonpolygamydocuments.org/wp-c ... MF0193.pdf

http://www.mormonwiki.com/John_W._Taylor

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_W._Taylor_(Mormon)

http://www.gapages.com/taylojw1.htm

http://bycommonconsent.com/2010/03/13/c ... municated/

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Re: Mormondiscussion Podcast

Post by DBMormon » 27 Sep 2015, 08:27

164: Seer Stones, Folk Magic, and Alvin’s Hand

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With The Church releasing photos of the Seer Stone it seems to beg the question what really is at the root of our discomfort with this narrative. For me the answer is obvious….. Treasure Digging and Folk Magic and the depth of the details of how all the characters involved are just that……. involved.

We hit on the Chase family, magic circles, guardian spirits, throat slit Spaniards, Obadiah Dogberry, and Alvin’s Hand. This one was fun and I hope you find it fun too.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seer_ston ... ay_Saints)

https://tspace.library.utoronto.ca/bits ... thesis.pdf

http://undergroundnotes.com/graphics7/D ... 03_211.pdf

https://exploringmormonism.com/palmyra- ... asure.html

http://en.fairmormon.org/Joseph_Smith/Seer_stones

http://en.fairmormon.org/Joseph_Smith/S ... ranslation

http://en.fairmormon.org/Book_of_Mormon ... as_a_youth

http://fr.fairmormon.org/Joseph_Smith/Seer_stones

https://www.lds.org/ensign/1987/08/the- ... n?lang=eng

http://mit.irr.org/changing-first-visio ... lard-chase

http://www.fullerconsideration.com/sour ... cat=HP-FBC

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Re: Mormondiscussion Podcast

Post by Roy » 28 Sep 2015, 09:16

That was a fascinating podcast DB! I loved how you brought in all those sources to make a somewhat coherent picture of Joseph's early involvement with folk magic and how that intertwines heavily with his role as prophet, revelator, and most especially as Seer.
"It is not so much the pain and suffering of life which crushes the individual as it is its meaninglessness and hopelessness." C. A. Elwood

“It is not the function of religion to answer all the questions about God’s moral government of the universe, but to give one courage, through faith, to go on in the face of questions he never finds the answer to in his present status.” TPC: Harold B. Lee 223

"I struggle now with establishing my faith that God may always be there, but may not always need to intervene" Heber13


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Re: Mormondiscussion Podcast

Post by DBMormon » 27 Oct 2015, 06:21

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166 Thomas Wirthlin McConkie: Developmental Map

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Today we sit down with LDS author Thomas Wirthlin McConkie. We discuss at length his book “Navigating Mormon Faith Crisis”. In his book he helps the reader see the Faith Development Map that allows for healthier smoorth transitions. We cover what a faith crisis feels like, how other react to it, and how we might might make it work in a softer healthier way.

His webite is MormonStages.com and his book can be purchased directly from his site.

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Re: Mormondiscussion Podcast

Post by DBMormon » 27 Oct 2015, 06:21

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Episode 167: Turning The Key


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Today we sit down with 3 incredible Sisters in the Church. Suzette Smith returns and she brings along Kristy Money and Fara Sneddon with her. We sit down and hash out the latest of the Gospel Topic Essays "Joseph Smith's Teachings about Priesthood, Temple, and Women"


We move through each section bringing in historical context and little known experiences within our history while these women also add in their life experience to round out the perspective. Women being ordained, Women giving blessings, and Women being given a Priesthood Key. Sit down with me at the feet of some wise souls as we explore this latest essay.


(who has the key and who is turning it?)

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