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BoM Geography Theories (GT)

Post by gospeltangents » 13 Jul 2017, 08:27

I just posted the first of a 5 part series on the Baja Theory of the Book of Mormon. David Rosenvall and his father put together what became scriptures.lds.org, and this led to their theory that the Book of Mormon took place on the Baja Peninsula (below California.) Here's my first interview: https://gospeltangents.com/2017/07/12/b ... peninsula/

Have you heard of this theory before? Do you think this is a plausible location?

I plan to interview others as well, including George Potter who has 2 very interesting theories. (1) He think he's found Nephi's Harbor in Yemen, (2) He thinks the Book of Mormon took place in Peru.
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Post by DarkJedi » 13 Jul 2017, 09:17

I have heard this theory, as well as others. I have two points of view.

My current predominate view is that the BoM is not what is is claimed to be and is at most a parable/allegory or series of parables/allegories. In other words, it is not a literal history of any people and that being the case, it didn't take place anywhere.

Like most others here I was once an orthodox believing member (as opposed to the less orthodox believer I am now). In truth I never thought about it much then (and I don't really think about it much now). I suppose I did subscribe to the Yucatan theory and generally poo-pooed the Great Lakes theory. Either way, I was never really concerned with where it took place as much as what was in it.

So, from both my current and past points of view, location matters not to me. I do believe the BoM to be a good book which can and does bring people closer to God and Christ and that's all that really matters.

I suppose that if God wanted us to know details about where the BoM took place he would have made it known in the book or through modern prophets (perhaps supposing it's not in the sealed portions). We do, after all, know the vast majority of locations in which Bible stories (most of which I also believe to be parables/allegories) took place.
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Post by Ray DeGraw » 13 Jul 2017, 10:03

I have heard of it and am interested in all theories, even though I believe it is an unanswerable question, lacking archeological evidence. It is set in a very small area in a very large world (even if the focus remains only on the American continents), and the archaeological descriptions are scarce enough to be difficult to find - especially given the destruction described in 3 Nephi.
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Post by Roy » 13 Jul 2017, 10:14

I had read that the "bountiful" or launch site would have to be from the east coast of the Arabian peninsula and that the most direct eastern route would put the landing in the neighborhood of Peru.
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Post by gospeltangents » 13 Jul 2017, 15:42

I have a forthcoming interview scheduled with George Potter. He thinks he's found Nephi's harbor in Yemen. It's a pretty interesting theory. I think a couple of other guys names Ashworth have a slightly different location in Yemen too.
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Post by gospeltangents » 15 Jul 2017, 11:42

Here's part 2 where David compares Baja to Meso: https://gospeltangents.com/2017/07/15/baja-vs-meso/


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Post by SamBee » 16 Jul 2017, 13:08

Roy wrote:
13 Jul 2017, 10:14
I had read that the "bountiful" or launch site would have to be from the east coast of the Arabian peninsula and that the most direct eastern route would put the landing in the neighborhood of Peru.
There isn't really one. Westward and you must round Africa... eastwards and you must round India, South East Asia with its thousands of islands and of course Australia.

Has anyone come up with an Aussie BOM theory?
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Post by DarkJedi » 16 Jul 2017, 17:23

SamBee wrote:
16 Jul 2017, 13:08
Roy wrote:
13 Jul 2017, 10:14
I had read that the "bountiful" or launch site would have to be from the east coast of the Arabian peninsula and that the most direct eastern route would put the landing in the neighborhood of Peru.
There isn't really one. Westward and you must round Africa... eastwards and you must round India, South East Asia with its thousands of islands and of course Australia.

Has anyone come up with an Aussie BOM theory?
I jokingly did a New Zealand one once (I served my mission there and my companion was not amused). I have also seen a Malaysian theory somewhere.
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Post by dande48 » 16 Jul 2017, 20:11

Back at BYU, I remember having BOM professor who made us memorize the exact location of where he thought the BOM cities are located... :roll:

Honestly, I don't think anyone will ever be able to pinpoint exactly where the BOM took place (barring the Second Coming). Were it possible to uncover, I'm confident it would've been uncovered with certainty by now. But uncovering the exact location would "take away our need for faith" and "frustrate God's purposes", right?

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Post by SamBee » 17 Jul 2017, 00:43

Narrow neck of land?

* Baja
* Malay peninsula
* Cape Yorke, Queensland, Australia (Oz top right)
* Northland, New Zealand (top left)
* Central America
* Florida
* Cuba
* Tierra del Fuego (Southern South America)
* Italy
* Crimea
* Japan
* Indonesia
* Papua New Guinea
* Greece
* Denmark
* Great Britain
* Antarctic Peninsula
* Kamchatka
* Westfjords, Iceland
* Norway...

The list goes on
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