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by jhp33
10 Jun 2014, 10:46
Forum: Support
Topic: Where I'm at...not sure what to do next
Replies: 36
Views: 1212

Re: Where I'm at...not sure what to do next

personally I think it takes an active imagination to make it into something more. Personally, it couldn't be more clear that both people in that photo are engaged in an unusual handshake (look at the position of JFK's thumb) that seems in every way to resemble that of a temple handshake. But I gues...
by jhp33
10 Jun 2014, 06:25
Forum: Support
Topic: Where I'm at...not sure what to do next
Replies: 36
Views: 1212

Re: Where I'm at...not sure what to do next

My blunt answer first: That picture does NOT show them shaking hands using a temple sign. It doesn't. Period. There is NO objective reason why anyone should leave the LDS Church because of that picture. Period. I think (hope) you understand that I understand that picture in and of itself doesn't pr...
by jhp33
09 Jun 2014, 12:17
Forum: Support
Topic: Where I'm at...not sure what to do next
Replies: 36
Views: 1212

Re: Where I'm at...not sure what to do next

The weird handshake thing isn't the real issue, it just served as a catalyst for me and all of the negative things I feel about the church and its orthodoxy and it not being "what it claims to be."
by jhp33
09 Jun 2014, 08:09
Forum: Support
Topic: Where I'm at...not sure what to do next
Replies: 36
Views: 1212

Re: Where I'm at...not sure what to do next

I don't think you should ignore anything - I think it just festers if you try to do that. I'm really curious to know what it is that sent you and your wife into this tailspin (if you don't want to say publicly, I'll keep it to myself if you pm). I don't mind talking about it. I feel like on one han...
by jhp33
09 Jun 2014, 06:46
Forum: Support
Topic: Where I'm at...not sure what to do next
Replies: 36
Views: 1212

Where I'm at...not sure what to do next

For the past 6 months, I've been wrestling with the truth claims of the church, but with a firm desire to stay in the church in order to support my wife and family. I have told my wife several times that if it weren't for her and the kids, I likely would have left the church by now. Lately, my outlo...
by jhp33
02 May 2014, 14:31
Forum: Support
Topic: John Dehlin is leaving the building
Replies: 27
Views: 1332

Re: John Dehlin is leaving the building

This is all just very indicative to me of the peril of setting up humans as standards to which we should look and emulate. Whether it's John Dehlin or the prophet, it only leads to frustration. Of course, between John Dehlin and the prophet, one of the two has been pretty clear that he's not asking ...
by jhp33
27 Apr 2014, 20:32
Forum: Support
Topic: My bishop and the Proclamation
Replies: 40
Views: 2029

Re: My bishop and the Proclamation

Well, this morning was my meeting with the SP. Ended up being a marathon (almost 2 hour) meeting. We started by me sharing my concerns about the Proclamation and referring to it as scripture in Primary. As expected, he went to D&C 68 and referenced the "if spoken by the Holy Spirit" definition of sc...
by jhp33
23 Apr 2014, 08:18
Forum: Support
Topic: I feel like I have one foot out the door
Replies: 17
Views: 744

Re: I feel like I have one foot out the door

jhp, thanks for your post. As you can tell, many of us have gone through this phase in our spiritual development. You have made a list of the things you don't believe or can't agree with, can you make a similar list of the things you do believe? or agree with? or like about the organization? My sug...
by jhp33
23 Apr 2014, 08:10
Forum: Support
Topic: My bishop and the Proclamation
Replies: 40
Views: 2029

Re: My bishop and the Proclamation

I used to quote other fictional literature and even the "scripture" of other faiths when I taught lessons or gave a talk in sacrament meeting. I could sense brief vibes of awkward reflection among some people ... but I would argue with ANYONE that doing so as is purely "Mormon" as it gets. We're su...
by jhp33
22 Apr 2014, 06:29
Forum: Support
Topic: I feel like I have one foot out the door
Replies: 17
Views: 744

Re: I feel like I have one foot out the door

I know short thoughts in text format can come across as preachy or harsh, I am really just trying to throw out ideas to think about. Please don't apologize. I really appreciate your comments and helping me see things just a little bit differently. Yesterday was a pretty bad day after a pretty bad S...