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by wayfarer
14 Aug 2013, 10:49
Forum: General Discussion
Topic: Mormonism, if understood, is Universalism
Replies: 74
Views: 3293

Re: Mormonism, if understood, is Universalism

If we say we can find universalism in mormonism, I agree. If we say that Mormonism IS universalism, then I think we err in saying that universalism is a identifying attribute of mormonism; and as practiced today, it is not. Obviously, it is an important strategy for staying LDS for us to select what...
by wayfarer
13 Aug 2013, 21:42
Forum: General Discussion
Topic: Mormonism, if understood, is Universalism
Replies: 74
Views: 3293

Re: Mormonism, if understood, is Universalism

"Pure Mormonism" says that everyone will be judged according to how they strive to live according to the dictates of their own consciences - and that God makes up the difference in the ideal and the real. That theology is as universal as it gets, especially when D&C 19 and the ideal of "eternal pun...
by wayfarer
13 Aug 2013, 11:36
Forum: General Discussion
Topic: Mormonism, if understood, is Universalism
Replies: 74
Views: 3293

Re: Mormonism, if understood, is Universalism

Annnnnd, after reading my last four/five posts, I better take a break from the staylds board, as I am wount to do from time to time. don't do dat. you are 100% correct -- the church we want to exist doesn't, but the Church of the 14 fundamentals does. We're deluded, sometimes, because we want to ma...
by wayfarer
11 Aug 2013, 08:08
Forum: General Discussion
Topic: Mormonism, if understood, is Universalism
Replies: 74
Views: 3293

Re: Mormonism, if understood, is Universalism

I am rapidly becoming a true Universalist. I discovered a whole load of quotes this morning that make this all the more enjoyable. I'm dashing off to church now so can't clean up the formatting. I'll be back later and will add them all into the quotes thread. Cheers :) here, here! If we select from...
by wayfarer
07 Aug 2013, 04:35
Forum: General Discussion
Topic: Pascal's Wager?
Replies: 23
Views: 1043

Re: Pascal's Wager?

I find pascal's wager to be completely flawed. "If you win you gain all." It's a false choice. I would like to think of god as an enlightened being. If I had a son who was a fawning sycophant, believing without hesitation exactly what he thinks I said 3000 years ago to a people who made crap up, I w...
by wayfarer
07 Aug 2013, 04:26
Forum: General Discussion
Topic: Lehi model or Alma model for disbelieving family?
Replies: 15
Views: 802

Re: Lehi model or Alma model for disbelieving family?

love it. great example. it's as if the first part of the book of mormon was written by a different process than the mosiah-onward section.... hmmmm... I mean, starting with King Benjamin's speech, there seems to be a completely different sentiment expressed.
by wayfarer
25 Jul 2013, 19:29
Forum: General Discussion
Topic: Blah, blah, blah Pioneers blah, blah, blah
Replies: 16
Views: 805

Re: Blah, blah, blah Pioneers blah, blah, blah

Kumahito, I can understand your feelings on this. My LDS ancestors left Utah to settle in the east, in disgust of the ongoing practice of post manifesto polygamy. I did not grow up with the veneration of the pioneers... we were free thinkers and realists about the church, so the pioneer thing wasn't...
by wayfarer
24 Jul 2013, 08:13
Forum: Introductions
Topic: Concerned
Replies: 18
Views: 1578

Concerned

One question, though: If the participants here aren't considered "disaffected", what would you call it? (BTW, I don't really like the term "disaffected", but I don't have a better one at the moment). I guess I settle for "disaffected" because I have lost some affection for the church (history, doct...
by wayfarer
24 Jul 2013, 07:59
Forum: General Discussion
Topic: Blah, blah, blah Pioneers blah, blah, blah
Replies: 16
Views: 805

Blah, blah, blah Pioneers blah, blah, blah

Sitting right now on the Days of 47 parade route, about 357 S 200 E, my DW loves parades.... Yeah, we went to the concert at the conference center, and the rodeo.... Pioneer Day is a big event here. My LDS ancestors came over in the later scandanavian immigration. There was really an amount of visio...
by wayfarer
23 Jul 2013, 15:32
Forum: Introductions
Topic: Concerned
Replies: 18
Views: 1578

Concerned

The DAMU (DisAffected Mormon Underground - pronounced "damn you") existed in the 90s, on listserv mailing lists and usenet (alt.religion.mormon, soc.religion.mormon) Except that StayLDS tries to not be disaffected, nor is it really "underground". Our goal is to find a way of staying LDS amidst disaf...