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by wayfarer
28 Nov 2011, 15:10
Forum: General Discussion
Topic: Paying to play
Replies: 148
Views: 3453

Re: Paying to play

...On the other hand, if a member claims that they paid SLC and SLC doesn't have any record of it, regardless of amount, perhaps the bishop or SP may be justified in concluding that a person has lied on a TR interview or tithing settlement. That's the only justification I can find for what you ment...
by wayfarer
28 Nov 2011, 10:55
Forum: Support
Topic: SP says I cannot baptize my son
Replies: 43
Views: 1666

Re: SP says I cannot baptize my son

But let your communication be, Yea, yea; Nay, nay: for whatsoever is more than these cometh of evil. Matthew 5:37 I don't know if they still do this, but at one time BYU students were required to periodically fill out a questionaire or write an essay (can't recall which) to their ecclesiastical lea...
by wayfarer
28 Nov 2011, 09:33
Forum: Support
Topic: Sexual Transgression and Dwelling Together in Love
Replies: 20
Views: 832

Re: Sexual Transgression and Dwelling Together in Love

As jaded as I may have sounded on this earlier, I do think there is some role as supporter. Even Church disciplinary councils put "doing what is best for the [transgressor]" in the list...and in my last read of the old CHI, the Bishop was the only one in the ward who was supposed to give counseling...
by wayfarer
28 Nov 2011, 09:08
Forum: General Discussion
Topic: Paying to play
Replies: 148
Views: 3453

Re: Paying to play

I have one other angle on this though. Someone regular on this site mentioned a few months ago that during a Cache Valley focus on middle way mormonism, the Bishop or SP kept mentioning they were going to extract tithing records from SLC...as part of the whole assessment of whether there should be ...
by wayfarer
28 Nov 2011, 08:40
Forum: Support
Topic: Sexual Transgression and Dwelling Together in Love
Replies: 20
Views: 832

Re: Sexual Transgression and Dwelling Together in Love

So, Wayfarer -- what are you suggesting -- that the notion of "by grace we are saved after all we can do" has it backwards? Or simply that the phrase leads to a punitive orientation on the part of Church leaders? This isn't a confrontive question, it's just a question. It sounded more confrontive t...
by wayfarer
28 Nov 2011, 07:31
Forum: General Discussion
Topic: More discussion on Temples, Women and a Rant
Replies: 27
Views: 1098

Re: More discussion on Temples, Women and a Rant

I never really bonded well with the temple...I realized recently that I don't like the feeling of being one of the identically dressed people there, all treated the same, following the same ritual. I like the feeling of the celestial room, but I would like to have a room like that in my house so I ...
by wayfarer
28 Nov 2011, 05:29
Forum: Support
Topic: Sexual Transgression and Dwelling Together in Love
Replies: 20
Views: 832

Re: Sexual Transgression and Dwelling Together in Love

Yes, I thought it was very good, too. I wasn't sure where it was headed, but I particularly liked the idea that the one who rejects other sinners is the sinner and also sins against him/herself. I liked what I was reading, but it did take a while to get through -- a lot there, and in re-reading it ...
by wayfarer
27 Nov 2011, 17:58
Forum: General Discussion
Topic: More discussion on Temples, Women and a Rant
Replies: 27
Views: 1098

Re: More discussion on Temples, Women and a Rant

I never really bonded well with the temple...I realized recently that I don't like the feeling of being one of the identically dressed people there, all treated the same, following the same ritual. I like the feeling of the celestial room, but I would like to have a room like that in my house so I ...
by wayfarer
27 Nov 2011, 15:24
Forum: General Discussion
Topic: More discussion on Temples, Women and a Rant
Replies: 27
Views: 1098

Re: More discussion on Temples, Women and a Rant

Wayfarer, I agree with everything you said. Especially: i enjoy the temple for a lot of reasons, none of them really logical. With my inactivity, that is the most I miss about not attending the temple. Mike from Milton. thank you for message. there is something so powerful about leaving behind the ...
by wayfarer
27 Nov 2011, 05:09
Forum: General Discussion
Topic: An interesting parallel to think about
Replies: 19
Views: 697

Re: An interesting parallel to think about

We can't really have it both ways, can we? I am reminded of this quote from Ben Franklin's autobiography concerning a group known as the Dunkers. This modesty in a sect is perhaps a singular instance in the history of mankind, every other sect supposing itself in possession of all truth, and that t...