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by DevilsAdvocate
27 Jun 2018, 14:20
Forum: General Discussion
Topic: What is the overall health of our church?
Replies: 8
Views: 847

Re: What is the overall health of our church?

If you were to make an assessment of our church, would you say it is healthy? Would you suggest any other metrics? One metric I would add to your list (not that there is any good way to know the exact numbers) is how many "worthy" tithe-paying adult priesthood holders (A.K.A. men) are there that ar...
by DevilsAdvocate
27 Jun 2018, 14:14
Forum: General Discussion
Topic: What is the overall health of our church?
Replies: 8
Views: 847

Re: What is the overall health of our church?

Personally I think the Church's overall "health" peaked around 1997-1998 and it has mostly decreased and stayed down since then as reflected in the following unit growth statistics: Year units growth 1993 21002 4.6% 1994 21774 3.7% 1995 22697 4.2% 1996 23528 3.7% 1997 24670 4.9% 1998 25551 3.6% 1999...
by DevilsAdvocate
27 May 2018, 12:38
Forum: History and Doctrine Discussions
Topic: Scientology - What makes a religion evil, dangerous, or a cult?
Replies: 27
Views: 3381

Re: Scientology - What makes a religion evil, dangerous, or a cult?

DevilsAdvocate, it's funny that you mentioned garment friendly clothing. I checked the recent garment designs from LDS.org and I was shocked. The women's garment tops sleeves are shorter than the men's, almost sleeveless. The men's garment top sleeves don't look like that. I just don't understand. ...
by DevilsAdvocate
26 May 2018, 10:30
Forum: History and Doctrine Discussions
Topic: Scientology - What makes a religion evil, dangerous, or a cult?
Replies: 27
Views: 3381

Re: Scientology - What makes a religion evil, dangerous, or a cult?

I could be wrong, but I get the impression sometimes at church that we are trying to outgrow the smaller, insulated, non-mainstream cult-like church we could be perceived as being previously as an organization. It's an awkward question to ask if we were previously cult-like, and since everything is...
by DevilsAdvocate
25 May 2018, 09:11
Forum: History and Doctrine Discussions
Topic: Scientology - What makes a religion evil, dangerous, or a cult?
Replies: 27
Views: 3381

Re: Scientology - What makes a religion evil, dangerous, or a cult?

I don't think there is any clear dividing line or consistent definition of "cult" that everyone is going to agree with. I think the universal definition is "an ideological group I don't particularly like at this moment." Still, I imagine some concrete lines have to be drawn. I think "cult" has too ...
by DevilsAdvocate
22 May 2018, 07:29
Forum: History and Doctrine Discussions
Topic: Scientology - What makes a religion evil, dangerous, or a cult?
Replies: 27
Views: 3381

Re: Scientology - What makes a religion evil, dangerous, or a cult?

This makes me wonder, what exactly makes some religions a societal good, and others bad? Because I can't think of a single attribute belonging to Scientology, which does not also belong to another religion I consider a force for good. Maybe that's why it still maintains its religious status...Are t...
by DevilsAdvocate
17 May 2018, 07:05
Forum: General Discussion
Topic: It's official, so long Scouts
Replies: 28
Views: 4244

Re: It's official, so long Scouts

Scouts was actually one of the few fun things I can remember about Church along with playing basketball and the ward Halloween parties unlike the pure Church youth camps with testimony meetings that were definitely not much fun at all. If the Church didn't want to be associated with scouts anymore f...
by DevilsAdvocate
12 May 2018, 08:46
Forum: General Discussion
Topic: Understanding Islam - Ensign Article
Replies: 7
Views: 915

Re: Understanding Islam - Ensign Article

Am I missing something? Do we know why this was included? It read strangely to me. I mean, it was understandable, but there was something "off" about the article. Maybe I don't understand the purpose of it? It does seem a little strange that the Church would actually publish an article like this. I...
by DevilsAdvocate
22 Apr 2018, 07:50
Forum: General Discussion
Topic: Nelson in Africa
Replies: 42
Views: 4105

Re: Nelson in Africa

So what happens if Church members faithfully pay tithing and then can't afford to pay for their mortgage/rent or even food for their families in the worst cases? They'll probably give them support through fast offerings , which will both increase their loyalty to the Church and feel indebted to it....
by DevilsAdvocate
21 Apr 2018, 08:42
Forum: General Discussion
Topic: Nelson in Africa
Replies: 42
Views: 4105

Re: Nelson in Africa

"We preach tithing to the poor people of the world because the poor people of the world have had cycles of poverty, generation after generation ," he said. " That same poverty continues from one generation to another, until people pay their tithing. " I can see how the principle of tithing can help...