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by DevilsAdvocate
04 Mar 2010, 17:30
Forum: History and Doctrine Discussions
Topic: Reactionary disrespect for science and intellectual freedom
Replies: 40
Views: 3375

Reactionary disrespect for science and intellectual freedom

Here is some interesting advice from Thomas S. Monson: "Should doubt knock at your doorway, just say to those skeptical, disturbing, rebellious thoughts: 'I propose to stay with my faith, with the faith of my people. I know that happiness and contentment are there, and I forbid you, agnostic, doubti...
by DevilsAdvocate
03 Mar 2010, 17:47
Forum: Spiritual Stuff
Topic: Near Death Experiences (NDEs)
Replies: 19
Views: 5864

Re: Near Death Experiences (NDEs)

I have always been intrigued by NDE's, but like other events they cannot prove the existence of an afterlife. The non believer would say it is just the way the brain works to cope with traumatic situation ... Like small miracles that happen they seem to be of most benefit to the person who experien...
by DevilsAdvocate
02 Mar 2010, 19:01
Forum: History and Doctrine Discussions
Topic: Joseph prophet or not
Replies: 96
Views: 5910

Re: Joseph prophet or not

...what you describe in your last paragraph is NOT the stance of the LDS Church. It isn't even the belief paradigm of a large percentage of the membership, and it certainly doesn't match what Joseph said about himself. Also, I don't know of a single apostle in the history of the Church who said or ...
by DevilsAdvocate
02 Mar 2010, 18:58
Forum: History and Doctrine Discussions
Topic: Joseph prophet or not
Replies: 96
Views: 5910

Re: Joseph prophet or not

Well ... it sounds like you answered your own questions. There really isn't the either/or, black/white, true/false dichotomies many of us expected, wanted and assumed. So where was the error? False prophets or false expectations? As always, the answers are inside us. The error could possibly be bot...
by DevilsAdvocate
01 Mar 2010, 18:02
Forum: History and Doctrine Discussions
Topic: Joseph prophet or not
Replies: 96
Views: 5910

Re: Joseph prophet or not

Given what we have come to learn about the personal conduct of Joseph at times is it possible or more correctly can you still believe he was a prophet receiving revelation from God? Was he a prophet in the beginning but not in the end? Was he a prophet until he died? Was he ever a prophet? I want t...
by DevilsAdvocate
26 Feb 2010, 12:01
Forum: General Discussion
Topic: Cult accusations
Replies: 26
Views: 2394

Re: Cult accusations

Lately, what really seems cultish is the fear to think, that seems so pervasive...At some point I have found most of my fellow mormons are not willing to even walk through my questions. On many occasions when I am calm they suddenly start yell that I am unreasonable and can not let me finish a sing...
by DevilsAdvocate
25 Feb 2010, 10:54
Forum: General Discussion
Topic: Cult accusations
Replies: 26
Views: 2394

Re: Cult accusations

Admin statemen t: We have been very patient with this post and thread. There has been good discussion. However, even veiled or soft charges of brain-washing will bring this conversation to a screaching halt. I will shut it down quickly. We had this conversation already in a different post (http://f...
by DevilsAdvocate
24 Feb 2010, 18:39
Forum: General Discussion
Topic: Cult accusations
Replies: 26
Views: 2394

Re: Cult accusations

I am reminded that early Romans referred to Christians as a cult. After all, they were practically cannibalistic--Christians claimed to eat the body and blood of Christ as part of a ritual called Communion, or the Sacrament. This type of rhetoric isn't acceptable today, but it was fair game back th...
by DevilsAdvocate
22 Feb 2010, 14:57
Forum: General Discussion
Topic: Cult accusations
Replies: 26
Views: 2394

Cult accusations

Some Mormons find it offensive and even absurd that critics try to label the LDS Church a cult. However, looking at some generic "cult checklists" it seems like there really are some questionable characteristics that are actually quite common in the current culture of the Church. Now I'm not trying ...
by DevilsAdvocate
22 Feb 2010, 10:17
Forum: History and Doctrine Discussions
Topic: Modern Day Revelation? Not so Sure
Replies: 51
Views: 3729

Re: Modern Day Revelation? Not so Sure

We have gone from "Thus Sayeth the Lord" to a warm fuzzy. Personally I think there has not been a significant piece of revelation in 150 years in the church. There has been nothing that any competent leader could not come up with on their own. I have noticed that Gordon B. Hinkley basically answere...