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by Heber13
17 Jun 2018, 08:44
Forum: Support
Topic: When Part of You Has Left the Church... BCC Article
Replies: 10
Views: 249

Re: When Part of You Has Left the Church... BCC Article

They need a little scare once in a while....gives them a story to write home about ;)
by Heber13
17 Jun 2018, 00:41
Forum: Support
Topic: When Part of You Has Left the Church... BCC Article
Replies: 10
Views: 249

Re: When Part of You Has Left the Church... BCC Article

What a great voice to have in the church Sambee.

Others need that now more than ever. It is soothing. It heals them.

That's ministering.
by Heber13
16 Jun 2018, 09:52
Forum: General Discussion
Topic: Two Hour Church -- Rumor or Work in Process?
Replies: 24
Views: 402

Re: Two Hour Church -- Rumor or Work in Process?

I've never been to open mic night...but open mic F&T meeting...does that count?? On this 2 hour thing... Don't you think there is a business case to be made here?? Areas like Utah could reduce the need for so many chapels if 5 wards can meet and rotate schedules on a 2 hr block, couldn't they save m...
by Heber13
16 Jun 2018, 09:36
Forum: Support
Topic: When Part of You Has Left the Church... BCC Article
Replies: 10
Views: 249

Re: When Part of You Has Left the Church... BCC Article

Excellent thoughts. I think Sambee brings up an important element... different people are invested to various extents. But the common threads across various situations are that many people leave, and they do so with eyes wide open, not lost sinful weaklings. And there are many in our congregations t...
by Heber13
16 Jun 2018, 09:14
Forum: General Discussion
Topic: What does it mean to council?
Replies: 32
Views: 585

Re: What does it mean to council?

And recent sisters...like Sister Okazaki.
by Heber13
16 Jun 2018, 08:52
Forum: History and Doctrine Discussions
Topic: "Choosing to Believe" & "Meaningful Choice"
Replies: 5
Views: 121

Re: "Choosing to Believe" & "Meaningful Choice"

The church, and religion, and god have so many elements to these concepts and set of ideas, that choosing to believe is not black and white, all or nothing. There is so much in the church that one can still choose to believe while accepting there are some falsehoods and machinations of humans which ...
by Heber13
16 Jun 2018, 08:34
Forum: Spiritual Stuff
Topic: Challenge to Become
Replies: 5
Views: 165

Re: Challenge to Become

That's sad to have dark clouds hang over loving life choices.

I guess at some point it's part of brraking from parents and blazing your own life. Even if they think they are doing it out love, it sucks when such expectations hold back true christ-like family relationships.
by Heber13
16 Jun 2018, 08:30
Forum: General Discussion
Topic: Two Hour Church -- Rumor or Work in Process?
Replies: 24
Views: 402

Re: Two Hour Church -- Rumor or Work in Process?

please relieve me of the monotony!!!! this mostly. 2 hours is less painful of the same old stuff but why have it so painful even 2 hours? Sometimes I feel they are trying to teach me how to endure. Regular breaks and skipping when I can trade up is always going to be needed whether they do 2 or 3 h...
by Heber13
14 Jun 2018, 12:32
Forum: Spiritual Stuff
Topic: Challenge to Become
Replies: 5
Views: 165

Re: Challenge to Become

While it is probable that President Oaks was referring to those people who are baptized later in life, in other circumstances can one arrive at "the 11th hour"? Good question. There are likely many applications of this principle. The idea is that our linear timing of things and efforts as we define...
by Heber13
12 Jun 2018, 11:00
Forum: General Discussion
Topic: What does it mean to council?
Replies: 32
Views: 585

Re: What does it mean to council?

I see Joseph Smith as wanting academics. The school of the Prophets wasn't about religious stuff. It was about study and debate. From the history that I understand, he brought in or was looking for people to teach languages, sciences, etc. That's how the BoA sarcophagus arrived in the area. Now, I ...