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by Heber13
11 Jan 2019, 13:23
Forum: General Discussion
Topic: Word of Wisdom: The next change
Replies: 30
Views: 728

Re: Word of Wisdom: The next change

There is a good history of the Word of Wisdom from Dialogue. https://www.dialoguejournal.com/wp-content/uploads/sbi/articles/Dialogue_V14N03_80.pdf Also, there is a decent book and quick read on getting the facts straight about it you can purchase: The Word of Wisdom by Steven C. Harper (2008, Paper...
by Heber13
11 Jan 2019, 12:00
Forum: General Discussion
Topic: Word of Wisdom: The next change
Replies: 30
Views: 728

Word of Wisdom: The next change

I have no basis for this other than my own thinking...but I feel the church has acknowledged the need to relax on the stuffy rules of our grandfathers. Today's world just doesn't obey because "it is what we do" for no good reason. We've been seeing lots of changes lately. I maintain that the brethre...
by Heber13
05 Jan 2019, 10:56
Forum: General Discussion
Topic: Two hour church experiences
Replies: 25
Views: 762

Two hour church experiences

Who is ready for 2 hour church?

I'd love to hear others' experiences tomorrow and if it felt better or no different and what you all thought of it.
by Heber13
05 Jan 2019, 10:52
Forum: Support
Topic: Special Sunday School class
Replies: 12
Views: 397

Re: Special Sunday School class

To build social capital, it would be good to start off with some difficult topic but quickly bring in supportive and positive tones to it that allow people to think but don't prescribe specific answers. I think it would be good to end with positive stories of testimony building while not ignoring di...
by Heber13
03 Jan 2019, 17:06
Forum: Support
Topic: Temple recommend interviews and "testimony"
Replies: 58
Views: 1646

Re: Temple recommend interviews and "testimony"

We can't define "testimony" as "granting the possibility of truth" or "hoping that something is true," can we? I think the answer to the OP as quoted above is, yes. Here is my thinking: I don't believe members of the church are required to "know", we are required to have faith. The first principle ...
by Heber13
03 Jan 2019, 17:04
Forum: General Discussion
Topic: Thoughts on the temple changes?
Replies: 24
Views: 827

Re: Thoughts on the temple changes?

why doesn’t it feel like a positive thing for me? I would think that if the bubble burst and the temple wasn't a positive and wonderful experience in your mind, these changes (even if good changes) still don't return the feeling of awe and amazement to the temple. I don't know if all those superlat...
by Heber13
03 Jan 2019, 16:35
Forum: Introductions
Topic: Raising kids lds when I don’t believe
Replies: 22
Views: 834

Re: Raising kids lds when I don’t believe

I am of the camp that Joseph Smith was a really good man and accomplished great things for many people. Period. While I was surprised to learn some things about his story, they don't eclipse the man I understand him to be. Abusive is not the term I think of with Joseph. Flawed, yes. He may have been...
by Heber13
03 Jan 2019, 16:28
Forum: Support
Topic: Temple recommend interviews and "testimony"
Replies: 58
Views: 1646

Re: Temple recommend interviews and "testimony"

I think what it boils down to, is that we've all drawn different lines between what we consider honest and dishonest. Well said, and to muddy the waters further, when we talk about "testimony" in God and the church and the prophet and frame the interview questions like that, it is kind of hard to r...
by Heber13
03 Jan 2019, 16:07
Forum: General Discussion
Topic: Gina Colvin disciplinary council
Replies: 20
Views: 725

Re: Gina Colvin disciplinary council

IT_Veteran wrote:
03 Jan 2019, 10:38
it does show that Salt Lake is both aware of her and communicating with her SP. I don't think there's enough evidence to say definitively that Salt Lake was pushing for discipline, but I think that it suggests there is some evidence of that.
I'd agree with that.