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by Salo
07 Dec 2008, 13:46
Forum: History and Doctrine Discussions
Topic: Homosexuality - Gay Marriage
Replies: 16
Views: 2459

Re: Homosexuality - Gay Marriage

Thanks Ray , If i'm hearing you correct you are saying you see the hand of God in the current teachings but the membership (and you spread the blame around here to include all levels) are not ready to interpret them correctly. I would have to get pretty abstract to agree with you here but generally ...
by Salo
06 Dec 2008, 21:20
Forum: History and Doctrine Discussions
Topic: Homosexuality - Gay Marriage
Replies: 16
Views: 2459

Re: Homosexuality - Gay Marriage

That's of course what Prop 8 was about--whether it was the right of the people of the state of CA to decide or not. They had voted against SSM, and the court overruled their vote. Prop 8 was to restore the matter to the vote of the people. Question Hawkgrrrl , Aristotle once asked , " does democrat...
by Salo
06 Dec 2008, 21:05
Forum: History and Doctrine Discussions
Topic: Creationism vs Evolutiuon
Replies: 5
Views: 1317

Re: Creationism vs Evolutiuon

Ray Degraw wrote:Given how long my last comment was,


cute :lol:
by Salo
06 Dec 2008, 20:08
Forum: History and Doctrine Discussions
Topic: Homosexuality - Gay Marriage
Replies: 16
Views: 2459

Re: Homosexuality - Gay Marriage

Thanks Ray couple quick thoughts also have said in many places that I see multiple, clear ways that gay members can be more active in the Church without having to forsake the current wording of our core covenants, but I don't think the membership in general is ready for that. Hear is one of the big ...
by Salo
06 Dec 2008, 17:16
Forum: History and Doctrine Discussions
Topic: Creationism vs Evolutiuon
Replies: 5
Views: 1317

Creationism vs Evolutiuon

I'm not a scientist so I would be WAY over my head on this topic, but I feel it deserves some discussion. What I do know is that many in the scientific community think creationists are out of their tree and many Creationist think the same of the scientists. I have to say with the limited knowledge I...
by Salo
06 Dec 2008, 14:43
Forum: General Discussion
Topic: What's the difference between NOM and StayLDS?
Replies: 57
Views: 5188

Re: What's the difference between NOM and StayLDS?

Valoel wrote:NOM = people who want/need to stay positively engaged with the Church, but don’t believe anymore.

StayLDS = people who lost faith, but want to believe again in the LDS Church
Valoel , I can't afford the therapy to tell the difference between these two motivations for staying :D ?
by Salo
06 Dec 2008, 11:58
Forum: History and Doctrine Discussions
Topic: Homosexuality - Gay Marriage
Replies: 16
Views: 2459

Re: Homosexuality - Gay Marriage

This is one of those hot button issues , and I consider it the issue of our day , I do feel future generations will look back on this time and the church will regret much of its actions and rhetoric. On the issue of same sex marriage I agree with Valoel on these points Me personally, i'm fine if sam...
by Salo
04 Dec 2008, 20:30
Forum: History and Doctrine Discussions
Topic: Skin cursings and the Priesthood ban
Replies: 20
Views: 2895

Re: Skin cursings and the Priesthood ban

Do you see my comments here as "excuses, rationalizations and philosophical reflections" that "turn (your) stomach" and are "unexcusable"? Absolutly not Ray , i'm switching to PM for a more complete answer. I feel I have tried to demonstrate best as I can my position on this topic , and feel I have...
by Salo
04 Dec 2008, 20:21
Forum: History and Doctrine Discussions
Topic: Skin cursings and the Priesthood ban
Replies: 20
Views: 2895

Re: Skin cursings and the Priesthood ban

Does this mean you believe that anyone who tries to understand the ban and why it was allowed to happen, chalks it up primarily to racism, but accepts the Church's inability to issue an actual apology (since it simply might have been an unavoidable part of restoring the Gospel in the early 1800's i...
by Salo
03 Dec 2008, 22:28
Forum: History and Doctrine Discussions
Topic: Skin cursings and the Priesthood ban
Replies: 20
Views: 2895

Re: Skin cursings and the Priesthood ban

Orson, your watermelon metaphor is worthy of a response , it brings to mind my lame attempt at the chess metaphor we are esentially saying the same thing. I am the first to point out the good in the church when deserved on this issue I am sensitive and will not back down . As I said I am from mixed ...