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by Curt Sunshine
09 Dec 2017, 14:56
Forum: General Discussion
Topic: Hamula revisited
Replies: 17
Views: 379

Re: Hamula revisited

We just see it differently, Sam. I believe he still believes, so I think they actually did do him a favor by taking apostasy off the table. As I said, people who are going to speculate will speculate no matter what. Everything that is being thrown around would be thrown around no matter what. Withou...
by Curt Sunshine
09 Dec 2017, 14:40
Forum: General Discussion
Topic: Gospel Principles class?
Replies: 12
Views: 170

Re: Gospel Principles class?

I tend to like Gospel Essentials, since it is easier to have a conversation about general principles and Gospel basics. My wife and I have attended that class off and on for years.

In the end, however, it does boil down to how the teacher handles it.
by Curt Sunshine
08 Dec 2017, 21:11
Forum: General Discussion
Topic: Hamula revisited
Replies: 17
Views: 379

Re: Hamula revisited

If they had left out the "not apostasy" clause, I doubt most of this speculation would happen. Fwiw, I am 100% convinced it would have happened no matter what (that literally anything being said now would have been said no matter what). I've read enough in the ex-Mormon and anti-Mormon world over t...
by Curt Sunshine
05 Dec 2017, 15:20
Forum: General Discussion
Topic: Why the Church cannot change...at least not too much
Replies: 30
Views: 499

Re: Why the Church cannot change...at least not too much

Benson was radically different as the President than he was as an apostile. I will cross that bridge when we get to it, but I hope, if Elder Bednar becomes the President, it will be after years of Uchtdorf & Eyring leadership in the FP. I actually am interested in Oaks, simply because I could see hi...
by Curt Sunshine
05 Dec 2017, 15:08
Forum: General Discussion
Topic: James Hamula, First Quorum of the Seventy, Excommunicated
Replies: 46
Views: 1265

Re: James Hamula, First Quorum of the Seventy, Excommunicated

Sam B. wrote: I didn't know if there had been any further developments in the Hamula case, so I decided to look online recently... what I saw was speculation, speculation, speculation... I think this is the trouble. The church was so vague about what his excommunication was for that the public has ...
by Curt Sunshine
05 Dec 2017, 15:06
Forum: General Discussion
Topic: Hamula revisited
Replies: 17
Views: 379

Re: Hamula revisited

[Admin Note}: Rather than open another thread about this topic, I am going to paste Sam's comment into a comment on the original thread and bump it up for anyone who wants to discuss it.
by Curt Sunshine
04 Dec 2017, 15:58
Forum: General Discussion
Topic: Why the Church cannot change...at least not too much
Replies: 30
Views: 499

Re: Why the Church cannot change...at least not too much

Major changes have occurred when top leaders saw the need to change and prayed sincerely about it. They thought they knew change was necessary, and they got revelation confirming their views. It helped when the leader(s) had a "change is okay" mentality. Right now, we have a bit of a convergence win...
by Curt Sunshine
04 Dec 2017, 15:44
Forum: Support
Topic: Putting down my pitchfork... er... taking a hiatus.
Replies: 9
Views: 246

Re: Putting down my pitchfork... er... taking a hiatus.

Maintaining balance is important, and not letting 10% overwhelm 90% is a little more than important. See you whenever you are ready to continue here - or never again, if you find a healthy balance that works for you and you no longer need us. In an ideal world, this forum wouldn't exist - and we are...
by Curt Sunshine
03 Dec 2017, 17:02
Forum: General Discussion
Topic: Counter balancing the negative....
Replies: 5
Views: 110

Re: Counter balancing the negative....

My wife is in the RS Presidency in our ward, and they just rearranged the chairs for lessons and are moving explicitly into a "circle of councils" model for their classes. The focus is on smaller group discussions and then full group input.
by Curt Sunshine
01 Dec 2017, 16:18
Forum: General Discussion
Topic: Reverse TBM Moment
Replies: 6
Views: 184

Re: Reverse TBM Moment

I am happy to know we helped you, as well as her through you.

With nearly ten years of reading about struggles and hoping we are helping, it is good to be reminded of successes.