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by Curt Sunshine
17 Dec 2018, 15:19
Forum: General Discussion
Topic: Bill Reel about to get excommunicated? >:-(
Replies: 95
Views: 4521

Re: Bill Reel about to get excommunicated? >:-(

I agree completely with that, SD. It is why I feel for Bill - and why I said he lost a degree of his integrity, not all of it. In the end, however, I come back to one core point: In making the decisions he did, he became exactly what he criticized so severely, even if he felt justified. I feel for h...
by Curt Sunshine
16 Dec 2018, 23:31
Forum: General Discussion
Topic: 11-Year-Old Deacons and Beehives
Replies: 40
Views: 548

Re: 11-Year-Old Deacons and Beehives

Satisfied people want change they can understand and that doesn't shock or anger them. When that sort of change happens, satisfied people are happy. Happy people stay where they are. It really is as simple as that. President Nelson is giving satisfied members what they want: non-threatening change a...
by Curt Sunshine
15 Dec 2018, 13:53
Forum: General Discussion
Topic: 11-Year-Old Deacons and Beehives
Replies: 40
Views: 548

Re: 11-Year-Old Deacons and Beehives

Reflexzero, that is exactly the central issue I have with the exclusion policy.
by Curt Sunshine
15 Dec 2018, 13:52
Forum: General Discussion
Topic: 11-Year-Old Deacons and Beehives
Replies: 40
Views: 548

Re: 11-Year-Old Deacons and Beehives

"If I was a TBM, I wouldn't think or react like a TBM."

DId I get it right this time? :lol: :thumbup: :twisted:
by Curt Sunshine
15 Dec 2018, 13:39
Forum: General Discussion
Topic: Bill Reel about to get excommunicated? >:-(
Replies: 95
Views: 4521

Re: Bill Reel about to get excommunicated? >:-(

I can grant the possibility that BIll truly thought the high counselor was validating and agreeing with him. I have to believe it is only a slight possibility, since Bill understands the process from previous experience. If he truly believes that, it points to a degree of delusion, frankly, but all ...
by Curt Sunshine
15 Dec 2018, 10:25
Forum: General Discussion
Topic: Bill Reel about to get excommunicated? >:-(
Replies: 95
Views: 4521

Re: Bill Reel about to get excommunicated? >:-(

I am saying he lost a degree of his integrity - especially since dishonesty was one of his central claims. I said he was a hypocrite with regard to his focus on honesty. It's disingenuous to pound a point repeatedly and use it as a reason to reject someone then turn around and do the exact same thin...
by Curt Sunshine
15 Dec 2018, 10:20
Forum: General Discussion
Topic: 11-Year-Old Deacons and Beehives
Replies: 40
Views: 548

Re: 11-Year-Old Deacons and Beehives

"If I were still a TBM" you would be rejoicing at the outpouring of revelatory change. That kind of is the definition of term. :D :P ;)
by Curt Sunshine
15 Dec 2018, 10:10
Forum: General Discussion
Topic: Bill Reel about to get excommunicated? >:-(
Replies: 95
Views: 4521

Re: Bill Reel about to get excommunicated? >:-(

Here is a short summary of my last comment: We can make people victims in two ways: 1) By removing their ability to choose; 2) By denying they had the ability to choose when they actually did choose. Both approaches are victimization. There are tremendously negative consequences to both ways of vict...
by Curt Sunshine
15 Dec 2018, 09:50
Forum: General Discussion
Topic: Bill Reel about to get excommunicated? >:-(
Replies: 95
Views: 4521

Re: Bill Reel about to get excommunicated? >:-(

I have some more time right now, so I will try to dig further into this. I am going to re-quote my last comment and extrapolate on it. Nothing was coerced. Nothing. Coercion occurs when choice is removed - when someone forces someone else to do something. Implied coercion (or soft coercion) occurs w...
by Curt Sunshine
14 Dec 2018, 14:14
Forum: General Discussion
Topic: Gospel Doctrine Duscussion about Slut Shaming
Replies: 4
Views: 190

Re: Gospel Doctrine Duscussion about Slut Shaming

I had to include the chapters the lesson skipped (1 & 2) in order to provide the full cultural context and discuss slut shaming. I am fine with the manual skipping those chapters, since the "profit and learning" the Sunday School organization wanted to emphasize was, "If I perish, I perish". However...