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by Ray DeGraw
26 Jun 2017, 12:58
Forum: General Discussion
Topic: The culture of marriage
Replies: 17
Views: 240

Re: The culture of marriage

I have told my kids I don't care when they get married, as long as they wait until after high school, graduate from college, have skills to sustain themselves if something happens to their spouse, AND don't have as many kids as we did before graduating from college. I wouldn't change a thing about w...
by Ray DeGraw
25 Jun 2017, 21:57
Forum: History and Doctrine Discussions
Topic: Help me understand marriage doctrine...
Replies: 10
Views: 109

Re: Help me understand marriage doctrine...

Our temple theology now makes no distinction regarding who will be sealed eternally. We seal everyone who has been married. Everyone. We let them and God work it out. Doesn't matter what that section says. We don't teach what it says currently. Our teachings are different now. I love the concept of ...
by Ray DeGraw
25 Jun 2017, 19:35
Forum: Support
Topic: Settlers and Explorers
Replies: 8
Views: 127

Re: Settlers and Explorers

Be comfortable with yourself and non-combative, and strive to love others unconditionally. Letting go of expectations for others goes a long way toward internal peace, as well.

That isn't as easy as it might sound to some people, but it is the most concise summary I can give.
by Ray DeGraw
25 Jun 2017, 19:30
Forum: General Discussion
Topic: The culture of marriage
Replies: 17
Views: 240

Re: The culture of marriage

I agree with you, DA - but the same is true of almost any religious school.

I also would not discount the sincere appreciation of education and learning in the LDS Church's culture. No matter the varying motivations behind encouraging education, it is a good thing.
by Ray DeGraw
25 Jun 2017, 19:23
Forum: History and Doctrine Discussions
Topic: Help me understand marriage doctrine...
Replies: 10
Views: 109

Re: Help me understand marriage doctrine...

I am not sure at all that Section 132 was actual divine revelation. That solves a lot for me. I also like that our doctrines have evolved dramatically over the years regarding the next life, especially our beliefs about who will be saved and who can be exalted. If you don't want to open the non-reve...
by Ray DeGraw
25 Jun 2017, 14:32
Forum: Support
Topic: Settlers and Explorers
Replies: 8
Views: 127

Re: Settlers and Explorers

Absolutely, Roy. When something occurs that expels someone from the general community of settlers, or changes them enough so that they no longer are typical of those settlers, there can be a "foreigner" or "outsider" category into which they shift - even if they aren't foreigners in any objective se...
by Ray DeGraw
25 Jun 2017, 14:29
Forum: General Discussion
Topic: Of Testimonies and Twelve Year Olds
Replies: 55
Views: 805

Re: Of Testimonies and Twelve Year Olds

I have no problem laying the responsibility at the feet of the overall leadership for a long time and the decisions that have created the issue for homosexual members. None. The policies created the reaction. I just don't want to cast the SP Counselor as an uncaring bigot, as I have seen done elsewh...
by Ray DeGraw
25 Jun 2017, 12:49
Forum: General Discussion
Topic: Of Testimonies and Twelve Year Olds
Replies: 55
Views: 805

Re: Of Testimonies and Twelve Year Olds

I also need to make something very clear: I don't believe there is a "bad guy" in the actual, original experience. Savannah was sincere; her parents didn't set it up to be what it became; the SP Counselor let it go all the way until she started talking about hoping for a same-sex marrriage (which I ...
by Ray DeGraw
25 Jun 2017, 11:56
Forum: General Discussion
Topic: Of Testimonies and Twelve Year Olds
Replies: 55
Views: 805

Re: Of Testimonies and Twelve Year Olds

The official policy about members supporting same-sex marriage publicly, as stated in 2015, hasn't changed one bit. The only change has been the November baptism restriction. It is a big change, but it didn't impact the previous statement in the slightest. This isn't cherry-picking. It is stating th...
by Ray DeGraw
25 Jun 2017, 11:52
Forum: General Discussion
Topic: Sharing observations about a recent temple square visit
Replies: 7
Views: 150

Re: Sharing observations about a recent temple square visit

"The hard truth" is incredibly subjective - and NO organization is held to that standard to admit new members. Catholicism doesn't teach about adulterous, muderous Popes (or pregnant nuns being the reason for celibacy being demanded, or rape being a regular part of many interrogations of heresy, etc...