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by DoubtingTom
19 Oct 2017, 13:50
Forum: History and Doctrine Discussions
Topic: Was the priesthood ban revelation?
Replies: 8
Views: 84

Re: Was the priesthood ban revelation?

This is really hard issue for me. Brigham taught the ban as if it was revelation, using clear wording to that effect. So it begs the question, if a prophet can teach false doctrine believing it comes from God, and members can hear and accept that doctrine and get a confirmation from the spirit that ...
by DoubtingTom
17 Oct 2017, 20:28
Forum: Spiritual Stuff
Topic: God has Favorites?
Replies: 12
Views: 138

Re: God has Favorites?

Careful - we learned from Elder Christofferson in Oct 2016 conference that God's love is actually NOT unconditional.

(I hated that talk, by the way)
by DoubtingTom
17 Oct 2017, 19:29
Forum: General Discussion
Topic: An alternate model for funding the church
Replies: 13
Views: 141

Re: An alternate model for funding the church

Tithing used to be 10% of surplus annually, meaning after all your expenses were taken care of, 10% of what you had left over. At some point they transitioned to 10% of income, but that was never a revelation, just a policy change. The wording in the D&C is still the same and could be interpreted as...
by DoubtingTom
17 Oct 2017, 19:26
Forum: General Discussion
Topic: Quinn's Research on LDS Church Finances
Replies: 25
Views: 323

Re: Quinn's Research on LDS Church Finances

There is something troubling to me about a church having so many different for-profit enterprises. I don't know why, but it just bugs. I guess I'd rather see the church building children's hospitals or being funding humanitarian enterprises that members could be a part of, like medical or social mis...
by DoubtingTom
17 Oct 2017, 19:18
Forum: Support
Topic: Doubting my Patriarchal Blessing
Replies: 21
Views: 233

Re: Doubting my Patriarchal Blessing

I'm wondering if PB will ever go away. They seem to be either so generic as to be meaningless or so specific as to be unlikeley to be fulfilled. Being a skeptic, I am inclined to believe that they are not truly inspired but come from the patriarch. And I don't think declaring lineage has as much mea...
by DoubtingTom
08 Oct 2017, 12:28
Forum: Support
Topic: Today was my last Sunday for a while
Replies: 10
Views: 270

Re: Today was my last Sunday for a while

Good luck Reuben! I hope you'll still post and engage here. We need the agnostic voice! I hope it helps you to step away, but mostly I hope it helps your daughter. The constant retrenching into an organization that (currently) teaches she will never be accepted the way she is has to be hard. I am no...
by DoubtingTom
08 Oct 2017, 11:46
Forum: History and Doctrine Discussions
Topic: Gospel Library First Vision Accounts - NOT!
Replies: 4
Views: 137

Re: Gospel Library First Vision Accounts - NOT!

I understand that frustration. I just quickly looked at the 1832 account that's on the app and compared it to the full account. All I could find that was missing is the introductory paragraph: A History of the life of Joseph Smith Jr. an account of his marvilous experience... and also the very end o...
by DoubtingTom
02 Oct 2017, 09:49
Forum: General Discussion
Topic: Reaction to Callister's apologetic talk
Replies: 26
Views: 445

Re: Reaction to Callister's apologetic talk

I dislike Callister's black and white framing and even cherry picking which topics to even bring up. I think there are some issue that push the BOM in the "hard to explain", some that are real problems, and some that could go either way. The proportion of each category depends a lot on how people a...
by DoubtingTom
02 Oct 2017, 09:13
Forum: General Discussion
Topic: Reaction to Callister's apologetic talk
Replies: 26
Views: 445

Reaction to Callister's apologetic talk

Tad Callister gave a devotional at BYU that was very similar to his conference talk (although longer). I thought this was a good reaction to it that still allows personal interpretation of historicity without affecting "truthfulness." http://www.churchistrue.com/blog/tad-callister-byu-devotional-on-...
by DoubtingTom
02 Oct 2017, 09:04
Forum: Book & Media Reviews
Topic: History of homosexuality
Replies: 15
Views: 234

Re: History of homosexuality

Assuming that any condition will continue to exist into eternity implies that the identity existed in the premortal existence. Good thoughts. Did we have gender in the premortal realm? Did we have sexuality? How much of who we are is a function of our spirit (the ultimate nature) and how much is ev...