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by DoubtingTom
15 Aug 2017, 14:11
Forum: History and Doctrine Discussions
Topic: LDS Church Responds to Charlottesville White Supremacist Rally
Replies: 20
Views: 257

Re: LDS Church Responds to Charlottesville White Supremacist Rally

I'm glad you started this thread Ray. I was going to start one on this very thing later today so thanks for for beating me to the punch! One of the interesting questions I have regarding all of this is whether or not the Church will back up their statement by asking those who publicly perpetuate tho...
by DoubtingTom
10 Aug 2017, 06:19
Forum: General Discussion
Topic: James Hamula, First Quorum of the Seventy, Excommunicated
Replies: 43
Views: 755

Re: James Hamula, First Quorum of the Seventy, Excommunicated

I'm tending to agree with Roy here. While Ray has some excellent points, this just smells to me like the church looking out for the church and leaving Elder Hamula under the bus. I could be wrong, of course, but that's the sense I'm getting from all of this. Well, they did excommunicate him. That's...
by DoubtingTom
10 Aug 2017, 06:09
Forum: History and Doctrine Discussions
Topic: Literal BoM?
Replies: 8
Views: 141

Re: Literal BoM?

We are an unorthodox sampling compared to most members. Most members certainly hold the book as literal and that is the church's official stance on it. It will be interesting to see if that changes to at least officially allow for a space where it's ok to not believe in a literal book, be open about...
by DoubtingTom
09 Aug 2017, 15:53
Forum: General Discussion
Topic: James Hamula, First Quorum of the Seventy, Excommunicated
Replies: 43
Views: 755

Re: James Hamula, First Quorum of the Seventy, Excommunicated

I'm tending to agree with Roy here. While Ray has some excellent points, this just smells to me like the church looking out for the church and leaving Elder Hamula under the bus. I could be wrong, of course, but that's the sense I'm getting from all of this.
by DoubtingTom
09 Aug 2017, 09:08
Forum: General Discussion
Topic: James Hamula, First Quorum of the Seventy, Excommunicated
Replies: 43
Views: 755

Re: James Hamula, First Quorum of the Seventy, Excommunicated

Ray has a good point and I think it brings up another side issue. When we as individuals try to determine what we think is the "right" thing to do in any circumstance, we tend to project what WE would want done and that becomes the "right" thing. If I were in that situation, I wouldn't want the chur...
by DoubtingTom
09 Aug 2017, 08:21
Forum: General Discussion
Topic: James Hamula, First Quorum of the Seventy, Excommunicated
Replies: 43
Views: 755

Re: James Hamula, First Quorum of the Seventy, Excommunicated

Since you've given permission, Ray... :twisted: I think the church should have just stuck with the "no comment" to any questions. I do think there would have been speculation about apostasy in today's climate where so many are leaving. So what's the difference in speculation about apostasy vs. spec...
by DoubtingTom
09 Aug 2017, 07:56
Forum: General Discussion
Topic: James Hamula, First Quorum of the Seventy, Excommunicated
Replies: 43
Views: 755

Re: James Hamula, First Quorum of the Seventy, Excommunicated

Even if the details given were in response to a question, they could have (should have?) simply responded that no details or discussion are given regarding disciplinary councils. No fuel to the speculation with a canned "no comment" response. I personally feel that saying what it was NOT opens up mo...
by DoubtingTom
08 Aug 2017, 09:49
Forum: Support
Topic: Help with Sacrament Talk
Replies: 19
Views: 315

Re: Help with Sacrament Talk

If it was me, I would take a bit of a risk and talk about how hurftul, damaging, and unfair it is to assume people leave because they are offended or any other singular reason. Bednar in his talk mentions the Thomas Marsh story. I would take this opportunity to discuss the actual details of that sto...
by DoubtingTom
08 Aug 2017, 07:38
Forum: Spiritual Stuff
Topic: THOU hast it all wrong
Replies: 26
Views: 652

Re: THOU hast it all wrong

While thee and thou may have once indicated a more familiar usage, the truth is the way we use those words in prayers today is meant to indicate a higher level of reverence or respect. I think this is unfortunate, as it keeps God at a distance. Sure, it may help someone maintain a certain level of r...
by DoubtingTom
07 Aug 2017, 07:04
Forum: General Discussion
Topic: Repenting in heaven
Replies: 18
Views: 285

Re: Repenting in heaven

Roy wrote:
06 Aug 2017, 11:45

If on the other hand there is no reward or the journey IS the reward or the type of person you become during the journey is the reward then it quickly distills down to what Ray said.
Love this! Thanks. "The journey IS the reward." Beautiful.