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by Grudunza
31 May 2016, 21:36
Forum: Book & Media Reviews
Topic: "Insiders View" -- Grant Palmer
Replies: 24
Views: 2787

Re: "Insiders View" -- Grant Palmer

I'll be done with this book in another day or 2 tops,...and on to the next. James Strang.....BIG RED FLAG... And all of JS living family joined that church and "testified" that Strang was the successor of JS? If that is factual, WOW! .... The apologetic answer to that is that it supports the idea t...
by Grudunza
15 May 2016, 06:31
Forum: Support
Topic: Tithing on surplus?
Replies: 54
Views: 4722

Re: Tithing on surplus?

Everything scriptural and from early church leaders describes something more like surplus... a phrase sometimes used is for those "who have means" to pay tithing, which only implies after expenses are met. To me, paying surplus tithing is the only way that harmonizes with scriptures and with the bro...
by Grudunza
25 Nov 2015, 18:38
Forum: General Discussion
Topic: Tithing
Replies: 32
Views: 1785

Re: Tithing

Your bishop has no justification for interpreting tithing as gross, other than as *his* personal method. The only question he is supposed to ask is if you consider yourself to be a full tithe payer. That's it. Now, if you say "no," then he may ask some follow-up in order to try to help you with that...
by Grudunza
23 Nov 2015, 10:56
Forum: General Discussion
Topic: Tithing
Replies: 32
Views: 1785

Re: Tithing

The rhetoric on tithing from leaders used to be "for those who have means," or in other words, you are only tithed if you have money left over after your family's needs are met. That comports with everything fair and loving and "yoke is light" that I feel from the God of my understanding. Paying on ...
by Grudunza
15 Sep 2015, 23:49
Forum: History and Doctrine Discussions
Topic: Tithing = Fire Insurance
Replies: 17
Views: 2115

Re: Tithing = Fire Insurance

I've thought of it a similar way as Huntsman, akin to club dues. Tithing in the scriptures is pretty straightforward as money needed to pay the debts of the presidency and to help maintain church buildings and programs and such. I think we give it an unintended and unrealistic power when we turn it ...
by Grudunza
13 Aug 2015, 08:35
Forum: General Discussion
Topic: Book of Mormon evidence
Replies: 13
Views: 977

Re: Book of Mormon evidence

Ray, I think you meant that we tend NOT to be orthodox, right?
by Grudunza
09 Aug 2015, 20:48
Forum: Support
Topic: "You should have known"
Replies: 36
Views: 2342

Re: "You should have known"

This is just one reference, but I also heard a podcast about a year ago that was very detailed about the various witnesses, and that they all agreed that the seer stone was the only instrument used for the BoM (after the 116 pages): http://en.fairmormon.org/Joseph_Smith/Seer_stones/%22Rock_in_hat%22...
by Grudunza
08 Aug 2015, 17:55
Forum: Support
Topic: "You should have known"
Replies: 36
Views: 2342

Re: "You should have known"

We don't have anything that says he always used the seer stone or that he always worked in any one way, especially when there was a drawn curtain between him and the scribe, which was the bulk of the time. Actually, the current research of the relevant witnesses concludes that only the seer stone w...
by Grudunza
30 Jun 2015, 11:43
Forum: Support
Topic: 1st Presidency Letter - supposed to read to all members
Replies: 79
Views: 38974

Re: 1st Presidency Letter - supposed to read to all members

I shared a link to this thread to the A Thoughtful Faith FB group, which is a private group that I think has some connection to this site. It occurs to me now that I should have asked first before doing that, as presumably someone there could have shared it further, and Roadrunner's connection to it...
by Grudunza
22 Jun 2015, 08:11
Forum: Spiritual Stuff
Topic: Prayer -- James 1:5-7
Replies: 24
Views: 1998

Re: Prayer -- James 1:5-7

A few random musings... - JS only refers to verse 5. Perhaps he stopped there and perhaps so should we. - It takes faith to have faith. Seems like a paradox, but I think it implies that some motion or action is required. A "God can't drive a parked car" kind of thing. - This passage is specifically ...