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To (over) extend the cold war analogy, you are not generally going to get shot at if you stay on one side of the wall or the other. But when you are not fully in (TBM) and you try to stay a bit in the middle ground between the two walls, it can be an uncomfortable place to be. What causes the wall t...

I think this will change, but it probably not until after I am 6 feet under (which I estimate to be about 20-30 years).

I think as long as you are not joining another religion then the church I don't think is involved. They do consider joining another church grounds for getting exed.

On the other, given the recent "revelation" dialog, I fear that the message will be more along the lines of "Look how God is leading this Church with ongoing revelation!" I would even be OK with that if the message was, "We screwed this up so badly that God finally had to give us direct revelation ...

DarkJedi wrote: ↑

17 Apr 2018, 08:37

I'm waiting for Curt to stop by and give his perspective so I can at least see the possibility of something positive here.

Way to put the pressure on Curt!

Curt - You can not say anything at all (which would be saying something).

I am not going to disagree with your general sentiment, but I will push back a bit. With the closed books there's no way of knowing but I think that's a big if with the church. In wealthier nations the tithing dollars go up and a minuscule fraction of the money comes back to the community. I imagine...

I'd say nothing is purely intellectual at all. People arrive at conclusions largely from emotion, and then come up with "logical" reasons as to why those conclusions are right. If someone arrives at a wrong conclusion, especially a religious one, it's almost never due to an error in reason. I wish ...

Nelson is preaching the prosperity gospel - almost the definition of it. Just like the televangelists, "Send me your money and God will bless you."

If you read James Fowler's "Stages of Faith" he would call a faith crisis the progression into another stage. He is careful not to put one over the other as he doesn't seem to see a person in Stage 5 as morally better than a person in Stage 3. But most of us can attest, in the middle of a "faith cri...

Thanks for posting afterall. I wish you the best dealing with life and the pains that go along with that.