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by On Own Now
12 Jul 2018, 09:40
Forum: Spiritual Stuff
Topic: Jesus and God as the Missing Benevolence In the World
Replies: 5
Views: 108

Re: Jesus and God as the Missing Benevolence In the World

nibbler, yep, Jesus went from being one of us to being our advocate before God, to being our judge. After Paul (in the NT passages above), but still in pretty early Christian times (early 2nd century, probably) Jesus is described as our advocate. This is interesting because it goes with the other la...
by On Own Now
12 Jul 2018, 08:24
Forum: Spiritual Stuff
Topic: Jesus and God as the Missing Benevolence In the World
Replies: 5
Views: 108

Jesus and God as the Missing Benevolence In the World

From another thread... ...original Christianity where God was the benevolent Father To build upon DJ's comment here, Christ in the 1st century, was an anti-type of of Caesar, one of whose titles (given by his Roman subjects) declared him to be the "Son of God". Earthly rulers (like the one known to ...
by On Own Now
10 Jul 2018, 12:16
Forum: General Discussion
Topic: My Tentative Conclusion about gospel convos with Traditional Believers
Replies: 55
Views: 1029

Re: My Tentative Conclusion about gospel convos with Traditional Believers

I still don't quite get how she holds those two contradicting views... both that the Church/Restoration/Priesthood is true, while straight up denouncing polygamy. It looks to me like a strong case of doublethink. My opinion from afar? Good for her and good for you. It's something to celebrate and I...
by On Own Now
10 Jul 2018, 12:02
Forum: Introductions
Topic: Lost Time Listener First Time Caller
Replies: 12
Views: 245

Re: Lost Time Listener First Time Caller

Welcome, felix. Great intro post. I think you are among kindred spirits here. There are a lot of different core beliefs here, but a lot of common threads course through our fabric as well, and I recognize a lot of them in your words. You've already gotten two great responses that sort of exemplify t...
by On Own Now
10 Jul 2018, 06:49
Forum: General Discussion
Topic: Better to be Happy in Ignorance or Miserable in the Truth?
Replies: 14
Views: 298

Re: Better to be Happy in Ignorance or Miserable in the Truth?

In fact, you can take the church out of it entirely and use a terminal illness analogy for discussion -- better to not know about the existence of the illness and then drop dead happy (provided it is symptomless, like certain forms of cancer), or to know about the illness and its risks and be miser...
by On Own Now
09 Jul 2018, 10:49
Forum: General Discussion
Topic: Better to be Happy in Ignorance or Miserable in the Truth?
Replies: 14
Views: 298

Re: Better to be Happy in Ignorance or Miserable in the Truth?

the Church has actively chosen stories which support their narrative, even if they aren't from reputable sources, while ignoring stories which frame them in a negative light. Are you saying that is different from other organizations or people? To me, I look at it like this. The Church is not the ke...
by On Own Now
09 Jul 2018, 09:43
Forum: General Discussion
Topic: It's Judgment Day, and You've Been Rebuked -- what will you say or do?
Replies: 23
Views: 453

Re: It's Judgment Day, and You've Been Rebuked -- what will you say or do?

You might not remember but I spent a lot of effort praying for you (all) to help me know if it was true. Let me now just toss this out: <clears throat, sings the following to the tune of Mrs. Robinson> How do you do, Mr. Gatekeeper? Jesus loves me more than you might know Wo wo wo God bless me pleas...
by On Own Now
09 Jul 2018, 08:13
Forum: General Discussion
Topic: Better to be Happy in Ignorance or Miserable in the Truth?
Replies: 14
Views: 298

Re: Better to be Happy in Ignorance or Miserable in the Truth?

We could argue whether any of us really know the truth, but let's assume we can for the purposes of this discussion. But, SD, I don't think that's a fair proposition. It assumes that the Church and its believers are patently wrong, and to use dande's analogy, assumes the Church is actively lying ab...
by On Own Now
05 Jul 2018, 17:01
Forum: General Discussion
Topic: My Tentative Conclusion about gospel convos with Traditional Believers
Replies: 55
Views: 1029

Re: My Tentative Conclusion about gospel convos with Traditional Believers

I asked my friend "What do you think is my moral obligation to show my respects in this situation?". His response floored me... "Now that you are an agnostic Mormon, why does that question matter???". SD, I think you've hit on a key point in understanding the "other side" of things. People who have...
by On Own Now
28 Jun 2018, 16:06
Forum: General Discussion
Topic: Is belief a choice? Also, seriously? No really, seriously?
Replies: 33
Views: 917

Re: Is belief a choice? Also, seriously? No really, seriously?

Thanks for the thoughts. I did mention that I thought it was a loose connection at best. I only found it interesting that it was the first result in a google search and it just so happened to be by the same GA. More coincidental. I'll add Niel Andersen's Faith Is Not by Chance, but by Choice as add...