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by Roy
17 Jun 2019, 10:33
Forum: Support
Topic: I need to come clean
Replies: 15
Views: 245

Re: I need to come clean

In a way I'm letting people down by my substandard participation and contributions and they deserve to know why. It's not just a matter of getting it off my chest, it has to do with being honest and looking for some honesty in return. I don't know what to expect or what my explanation will turn int...
by Roy
14 Jun 2019, 16:16
Forum: Support
Topic: I need to come clean
Replies: 15
Views: 245

Re: I need to come clean

I look at these conversations with the end goal in mind. What do I want to achieve? If the meeting is tithing settlement then I go in with a plan to declare my status and minimize issues for everyone. If the meeting is a TR interview then I should know beforehand how I am going to answer the questio...
by Roy
14 Jun 2019, 09:41
Forum: General Discussion
Topic: Next Gen vs. a Patriarchal Church
Replies: 3
Views: 125

Re: Next Gen vs. a Patriarchal Church

In general the church lags 50 years behind the outside world on a host of issues. I do believe that the pace of change in society and the access to information has increased dramatically. Perhaps RMN saw the writing on the wall and embarked on a whirlwind of administrative changes in response. Maybe...
by Roy
14 Jun 2019, 09:26
Forum: Introductions
Topic: Returning to help others with a F/C
Replies: 6
Views: 158

Re: Returning to help others with a F/C

Welcome back Rebel! I think you will find a much better fit here. What kind of steps did you have to take for rebaptism. I imagine local church leadership might have some concerns regarding what has changed from the resignation until now that you can now fully recommit to the church. Was that a diff...
by Roy
14 Jun 2019, 08:59
Forum: Support
Topic: How I came back
Replies: 6
Views: 119

Re: How I came back

I am so glad that you are in a better place of relative peace now. I have come to many of the same "terms" as you have. Sometimes in a church lesson the discussion will take a turn and I will think to myself, "This is nutty!" Then I will remind myself of how good all these people are, what they have...
by Roy
13 Jun 2019, 16:19
Forum: Support
Topic: How I came back
Replies: 6
Views: 119

Re: How I came back

Hi Rebel, What a journey! How did your wife and kids respond to your leaving the church. It sounds like you may have continued attending even after your resignation in support of them. You mention coming "to terms with it all" and being rebaptized. Congratulations! How fascinating! Historically when...
by Roy
13 Jun 2019, 11:20
Forum: General Discussion
Topic: WOW Seminary Manual
Replies: 17
Views: 340

Re: WOW Seminary Manual

For several reasons I love this quote: . . the Church cannot change the laws of God. They stand immutable. We may change the rules; we may say that a drunkard . . . [or] he who drinks tea and coffee may go into the temple. These rules we may change. But we cannot change the biological law that he wh...
by Roy
13 Jun 2019, 10:43
Forum: General Discussion
Topic: WOW Seminary Manual
Replies: 17
Views: 340

Re: WOW Seminary Manual

Fascinating links Nibbler. It would seem that: 1) the first 3 verses of the WoW where it says "not by commandment or constraint" was originally an introduction to the revelation formed by comittee and not the revelation itself. I understand that the introduction was made with the knowledge and presu...
by Roy
12 Jun 2019, 16:28
Forum: General Discussion
Topic: WOW Seminary Manual
Replies: 17
Views: 340

Re: WOW Seminary Manual

I understand felix to be saying that the referenced revelation on October 13, 1882 does not seem to address the WoW and that the people who edit the next version of the seminary manual might want to change that sentence to, "In 1882, the Lord revealed to President John Taylor that the Word of Wisdom...
by Roy
12 Jun 2019, 15:59
Forum: General Discussion
Topic: The Nature of Men in the LDS Church
Replies: 21
Views: 557

Re: The Nature of Men in the LDS Church

This has been a good discussion that has encouraged me to think about how males are socialized in the church and in other social groups. Thank you. Carry on.