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by Roy
13 Jul 2020, 15:24
Forum: General Discussion
Topic: Jana Riess on shame and fear
Replies: 7
Views: 58

Re: Jana Riess on shame and fear

It's in human nature to want to fix, at least it's in my nature. That's a part of the issue, people that have left the church are seen as something that has to be fixed, so we enter the relationship in fix-it mode before we've even had the opportunity to listen. Another thing about when we're in fi...
by Roy
13 Jul 2020, 12:19
Forum: General Discussion
Topic: Utah Area Presidency asks members to wear masks
Replies: 3
Views: 157

Re: Utah Area Presidency asks members to wear masks

I agree OON. I actually feel that RMN could use his understanding and training as a medical doctor to plead with the saints to use precautions. Perhaps God prepared RMN to be church president at just this time for just this purpose. I suppose there is some irony that I would like RMN to speak on som...
by Roy
13 Jul 2020, 11:41
Forum: General Discussion
Topic: Wouldn't it be easier just to tell us?
Replies: 6
Views: 140

Re: Wouldn't it be easier just to tell us?

Yes, I believe a challenge to our belief model is that we call everyone to follow the us...or continue in darkness. As if we alone have access to light.
by Roy
13 Jul 2020, 11:21
Forum: Spiritual Stuff
Topic: Does the formula for developing spirituality work for you?
Replies: 7
Views: 165

Re: Does the formula for developing spirituality work for you?

I agree with Nibbler that there a loads of unexamined assumptions in the question. 1) Read - I personally do not find much value in reading the scriptures. I do think that I would find a study of the parables enlightening because they are not to be taken literally. Many scriptures seem to me to be s...
by Roy
09 Jul 2020, 16:33
Forum: Support
Topic: Challenging discussion
Replies: 11
Views: 227

Re: Challenging discussion

I champion and really think about the principle of Charity - and try to be a more charitable person - I don't consider myself a Christian. The culture that raised us has connected these 2 principles so much that it is hard to disconnect them. So, the disconnect does not compute for her. Full Stop. ...
by Roy
09 Jul 2020, 16:23
Forum: General Discussion
Topic: Wouldn't it be easier just to tell us?
Replies: 6
Views: 140

Re: Wouldn't it be easier just to tell us?

I was having this discussion with an individual recently. It was being theorized that the priesthood ban was started by God to reduce the amount of persecution that the church would face from a racist society. I was thinking that if the goal was to minimize persecution then why do polygamy - somethi...
by Roy
09 Jul 2020, 16:11
Forum: General Discussion
Topic: The God of this world
Replies: 11
Views: 178

Re: The God of this world

I appreciate the thoughts Amy. Great perspective.
by Roy
08 Jul 2020, 15:29
Forum: General Discussion
Topic: The God of this world
Replies: 11
Views: 178

Re: The God of this world

If God is just "something that meets people's needs," what needs are met? Maslow's hierarchy of needs describe survival, safety, love/belonging, esteem, and self actualization. I believe that religion and tribalism was a huge factor in survival and safety in times past, though not as much in the mo...
by Roy
08 Jul 2020, 14:51
Forum: General Discussion
Topic: Change...
Replies: 16
Views: 952

Re: Change...

When I look back at it now, I shudder thinking about what I didn't see and the many ways it could have failed. At the time, I attributed it to faith in God's plan for us. Now, I look at it as my actions making it happen through belief in God and that it was part of the plan - I don't know that it w...
by Roy
07 Jul 2020, 11:22
Forum: General Discussion
Topic: Change...
Replies: 16
Views: 952

Re: Change...

Nice parable MM, Perhaps we patch and upgrade the software more and more until it becomes incompatible with the operating system. I sometimes feel like the version of Mormonism that I live in my head is incompatible with the version that is taught from the pulpit and this results in conflict and sys...