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by SilentDawning
17 Jan 2018, 20:51
Forum: General Discussion
Topic: Negative Consequences of Excommunication to the Church
Replies: 9
Views: 213

Re: Negative Consequences of Excommunication to the Church

I think the excommunication route is more effective when the person being excommunicated doesn't have a tendency to voice their opinions to large groups....at least, not a negative opinion. I was just thinking about it and realized that Excommunication probably had greater meaning in the past when ...
by SilentDawning
17 Jan 2018, 14:44
Forum: Support
Topic: Staying for my wife
Replies: 6
Views: 139

Re: Staying for my wife

Staying for a spouse is a good reason to stay. It's a form of love and sacrifice. the good news is that you can put boundaries on how much you let the church extract from you. I agree it's boring. I am trying to change that in my calling. I don't know if you have kids, but I take the stance that the...
by SilentDawning
17 Jan 2018, 14:27
Forum: General Discussion
Topic: Thread about Press Conference after new FP announced
Replies: 22
Views: 359

Re: Thread about Press Conference after new FP announced

I was disappointed Uchdorft didn't stay in the presidency. And apparently others aren't either -- here is an article on the fact that some Mormons are not happy about getting less Uchdorft https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/m/1508e0bb-044b-3a56-aae4-90f89f92625a/ss_many-mormons-are-not-happy.html T...
by SilentDawning
17 Jan 2018, 13:15
Forum: Support
Topic: Coming Back into Church after Name Removal when Things went not well
Replies: 13
Views: 269

Re: Coming Back into Church after Name Removal when Things went not well

Also in the church we have a model where members are expected to covert based on a testimony of the truthfulness of the work and then endure unpleasantness because of that testimony. My Elder's Quorum President has repeatedly said that he would rather be outside in nature on Sundays but he feels co...
by SilentDawning
17 Jan 2018, 13:09
Forum: General Discussion
Topic: Negative Consequences of Excommunication to the Church
Replies: 9
Views: 213

Re: Negative Consequences of Excommunication to the Church

I agree that guys like Quinn don't have anything to lose and are thus freed by excommunication. The only thing they really lose is dissemination of truth to those who won't read their works because they've been ex'ed. I'm not sure all people would know he was ex'd. Some will, of course, but people ...
by SilentDawning
16 Jan 2018, 06:13
Forum: Support
Topic: Coming Back into Church after Name Removal when Things went not well
Replies: 13
Views: 269

Re: Coming Back into Church after Name Removal when Things went not well

Your Bishop will likely put you through a slow process of rebaptism, and then gradual restoration of any priesthood offices you might have had. He wont' rush it. He will probably be wary too as I find the church leaders don't take kindly to protest and agitation within the church. He will likely wan...
by SilentDawning
16 Jan 2018, 06:08
Forum: General Discussion
Topic: How Candid are you with Non-Members about the church?
Replies: 17
Views: 332

Re: How Candid are you with Non-Members about the church?

Very, but I don't push at all, and I don't bring up general things I see as issues, unless I think it is critical in a particular situation (like if the person is LGBTQ+). An glad to hear this, and from Squarepeg and others who are forthright. There are times I feel I am being disloyal or somehow e...
by SilentDawning
15 Jan 2018, 11:53
Forum: Introductions
Topic: Hi!
Replies: 13
Views: 198

Re: Hi!

Welcome! Glad you found us here. It was breath of fresh air for me many many years ago. Going from memory about your back story, here are a few tips as someone who doesn't like the temple much, doesn't have a TR and has a spouse who shuts down if I go negative on the church. 1. Don't talk about nega...
by SilentDawning
15 Jan 2018, 09:50
Forum: Book & Media Reviews
Topic: D Michael Quinn -- the Mormon Hierarchy: Wealth and Corporate Power
Replies: 2
Views: 69

D Michael Quinn -- the Mormon Hierarchy: Wealth and Corporate Power

I talked about this book in a different thread as a sideline. I am working through it, but wanted to share reviews that I thought captured my feelings about it so far: Eugene Grant 4.0 out of 5 starsAltruism of Mormon Leadership Confirmed! December 14, 2017 Format: Kindle Edition|Verified Purchase I...
by SilentDawning
15 Jan 2018, 09:37
Forum: General Discussion
Topic: Negative Consequences of Excommunication to the Church
Replies: 9
Views: 213

Re: Negative Consequences of Excommunication to the Church

But if you are the person who gets excommunicated, you can become an agent of change, and have nothing left to lose. I think that greater respect is given for those who were excommunicated who are balanced and not trying to rock the boat or get attention, such as D. Michael Quinn sounds to be. Agre...