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by DevilsAdvocate
29 Dec 2018, 11:32
Forum: General Discussion
Topic: Are we really that different?
Replies: 22
Views: 979

Re: Are we really that different?

After a conversation behind the scenes, I am adding an Admin Note. [Admin Note]: Devil's Advocate intentionally misquoted the original comment he excerpted to create his post. He intentionally deleted ONLY one part of one sentence - the sentence that would have shown his conclusion was not close to...
by DevilsAdvocate
23 Dec 2018, 16:56
Forum: General Discussion
Topic: Are we really that different?
Replies: 22
Views: 979

Re: Are we really that different?

Not sure. I don't mean this in an antagonistic way (I agree with the vast majority of the posts you write here, DA), but I guess I don't completely understand what kind of difference you are talking about. Do you mean fundamental personality? You seem to imply that above. If you are referring to pe...
by DevilsAdvocate
22 Dec 2018, 13:03
Forum: General Discussion
Topic: Are we really that different?
Replies: 22
Views: 979

Re: Are we really that different?

I think the trigger in not believing involves allow yourself to entertain initial thoughts that the church might not be true. Or, in my case, deciding that I no longer wanted to be as much a part of the experience as I did previously. There wasn't any rejection of the truth claims at that point -- ...
by DevilsAdvocate
22 Dec 2018, 09:52
Forum: General Discussion
Topic: Are we really that different?
Replies: 22
Views: 979

Are we really that different?

I don't want to derail the other thread because this is a completely separate topic but I wanted to respond to the following post and some other comments along these lines. Satisfied people want change they can understand and that doesn't shock or anger them. When that sort of change happens, satisf...
by DevilsAdvocate
16 Dec 2018, 16:53
Forum: General Discussion
Topic: 11-Year-Old Deacons and Beehives
Replies: 59
Views: 2080

Re: 11-Year-Old Deacons and Beehives

We're just going to have to agree to disagree on this one DA. I seriously doubt any mass exodus or increase in faith crises over these things. People who have shelves are gonna have shelves and people whose shelves are gonna fall will fall. I never said or intentionally implied that there would be ...
by DevilsAdvocate
15 Dec 2018, 16:59
Forum: General Discussion
Topic: 11-Year-Old Deacons and Beehives
Replies: 59
Views: 2080

Re: 11-Year-Old Deacons and Beehives

"If I was a TBM, I wouldn't think or react like a TBM." DId I get it right this time? :lol: :thumbup: :twisted: No, and to be honest I don't see what is so funny about it; I think this comes across as flippant. I get that I am obviously not a TBM now but that doesn't mean that I don't remember what...
by DevilsAdvocate
15 Dec 2018, 11:16
Forum: General Discussion
Topic: 11-Year-Old Deacons and Beehives
Replies: 59
Views: 2080

Re: 11-Year-Old Deacons and Beehives

Idon't know DA. My TBM friends and associates (as well as those I try to avoid) seem to mostly be on board with everything that's happening, maybe if only because of "follow the prophet." Sure, it seems like there will always be some TBMs like that that will typically follow the prophet no matter w...
by DevilsAdvocate
15 Dec 2018, 10:58
Forum: General Discussion
Topic: 11-Year-Old Deacons and Beehives
Replies: 59
Views: 2080

Re: 11-Year-Old Deacons and Beehives

"If I were still a TBM" you would be rejoicing at the outpouring of revelatory change. That kind of is the definition of term. Maybe for one or two changes if I happened to like those changes, but not one after another like this including some that seem rather petty and/or pointless. For example, I...
by DevilsAdvocate
15 Dec 2018, 10:11
Forum: General Discussion
Topic: 11-Year-Old Deacons and Beehives
Replies: 59
Views: 2080

Re: 11-Year-Old Deacons and Beehives

Personally I'm glad to see that President Nelson is apparently not afraid to change things around left and right. But it does beg the question that if some of these changes were such a great idea then why did it take so long for them to be made especially when the Church literally claims to be led b...
by DevilsAdvocate
09 Oct 2018, 20:12
Forum: General Discussion
Topic: PR Misdirection
Replies: 9
Views: 520

Re: PR Misdirection

One area that continues to frustrate me is the reasons given for policy changes in the church almost always feel like a snow job or shell game...From the discontinuation of Janitors, the discontinuation of non-geographical student wards, the age change for missionaries, the POX, to the corrected na...