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Thanks for the responses. I really don't know if it would have been harder or easier without the prior knowledge. Stage 4 is what it is. It may be that if I had been raised by purely TBM parents with no inoculation I would never have questioned because I would have avoided "the mere appearance of ev...

I just listened to the MormonMatters podcast about innoculation (I think it was episode # 13). I was genuinely pained by how the apologists involved spoke down to all of us who have had doubts. I was innoculated early. I was BIC to very intelligent parents who taught me about a lot of the church wac...

I have to get in on this as it's a topic I've been pondering of late. I suppose we would have to define the box, no? If that is true then the box would have millions of differing definitions, and that's okay. If we narrowly define the box as what is contained in the Handbook then it is more difficul...

SamBee, I looked at that link and found it to be less than useful in this argument. Yes, there are tannins in tea, but tannins are different from tannic acid which is not contained in tea. Herbal teas and cocoa also have tannins and all kinds of foods have some carcinogenic effects. Also, this linke...

I have to agree with Rix on this one. I don't think the GAs are necessarily "holier" than others, they just have a different role and calling in life. For example, I believe I was given my questioning nature as a gift of God. I will likely never be a GA (well, that and I have the wrong chromosomes) ...

Rix, I like that idea of living "diagonally". I wish I knew how to do it effectively. I think I am past the guilt and shame point. I probably wouldn't feel too bad if I actually left the church since my family is very open and accepting regardless of personal beliefs (my sister has left the church a...

Heber, I'm tired because it has been a long, arduous journey that is still not over. I feel like I have spent my whole life trying to fit myself into a mold that is just too small. That and I have 3 kidlets who have been sick for the past week :D . But seriously, I am tired of so many things. The 3 ...

Hi everyone! I'm a long time lurker but I think I have found my place here, finally. I was BIC, although my parents are a couple of misfit intellectuals from whom I learned much of the historical and doctrinal problems of the church. They have, for the most part, been TBM for my entire life, but I h...

I hope I'm not threadjacking here, but I also understand the alure of fundamentalism. Unfortunately I just don't understand how women fit into the whole thing. I like to think of myself as a feminist. How does fundamentalism appeal to women? I really don't see how things like polygamy can exalt wome...

We recently moved to a new ward where we are still mostly thought of as odd TBM's I think. Then again, one of my friends told me that before I moved in she was the ward "hippie" but I have usurped her place so I am now the ward "hippie". I have no idea if this has anything to do with my less than or...